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Re: Добре де, [re: Ивo] |
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Автор | Aleatoric (Нерегистриран) | |
Публикувано | 15.06.03 07:50 |
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Kriterii e mnogo chujda duma za avant-garda. Zashto nepremenno triabava da ima niakakvi kriterii,tova e vaprosa.Spored men ideiata da se opitvash da ne si opredelian ot nikakvi kriterii e sama po sebe si avant-garde.
Vij sega,sled Schoenberg ta do sega sa se porodili mnogo techenia na avant-garda.Vsiako edno ot tiah se harekterizira sas satvetnite harakterni za nego cherti v orchestraciata ili neuinata lipsa,filosofii,izrazni sredtva i taka natataka.Temata e mnogo obshirna i ako naistina si zainteresuvan triabva da otdelish nebhodimoto vreme za prouchvane ,slushane i chetene.
I poneje razbiram che si goliam pochitatel na Wagner iskam da te popitam.Kakvoe napravil toi sled kato e napisal trite si romantichni operi(siguren sam che gi znaesh)? Kak e dostignal do ideiata za "music drama"? Dali e otrekal mnogo neshta i dali smiatash che kriteriite sa bili vajni za nego?
Zahtoto tova koeto e napravil toi togava e sushtoto za koeto govorim i dnes,samo che izraznite sredtva na onova vreme sa bili drugi.Znachi za da izrazi visoki filosofki poslania,toi e zpolzval ezika na mitovete. Neshto harakterno za nemskiat Romantism...mistiki,svruhsili it.n.Nachaloto mojem da vidim vav "Valshebniat Strelec" na Weber.
Ta kakuv e ezika i izraznite sredstva na nasheto vreme?Kакто vijdash,imame si i tok i telefon i TV,daje i si pisheme po tia neshta deto im vikat komputri.
Ta prostata mi misal se nadiavam che ia shvashtash..............
Ako naistina iskash da razberesh poveche za orkestraciata,izraza,formata i t.n. mi pishi ,az shte te nasocha kam niakoi knigi vmesto da pisha tuka celi romani.Ne znam samo do kolko e vazmojno da gi namerish v BG.
Aaaaa a po povod Wagner az sushto sam pochitatel iako iskash moje da diskutirame niakoi vaprosi ot negovite trudove,kato "Opera i Drama" i t.n.
Neshtata sa identichni mnogo........
I drugo....vmesto da prikazvame prazni prikazki(imam v predvid -dogadki,prepolojenia i t.n.),imam predlojenieto da diskutirame niakoia avan-gradna kompozicia.Neka da se dade predlojenie,vseki da ia chue,da se zapoznae s neia i sled tova da ia obsudime.Az lichno se naemam da otgovoria na viakakvi vaprosi svuzani s formata,izraza,concepciata i filosofiata.Stava li?
I poneje nai-lesnoto s koeto moje da pochneme e "4'33" na Cage(sigurno znaesh za kakvo stava vapros) izprashtam izvadka ot programa na purvoto predstavlenie:
“Tudor placed the hand-written score, which was in conventional notation with blank measures, on the piano and sat motionless as he used a stopwatch to measure the time of each movement. The score indicated three silent movements, each of a different length, but when added together totaled four minutes and thirty-three seconds. Tudor signaled its commencement by lowering the keyboard lid of the piano. The sound of the wind in the trees entered the first movement. After thirty seconds of no action, he raised the lid to signal the end of the first movement. It was then lowered for the second movement, during which raindrops pattered on the roof. The score was in several pages, so he turned the pages as time passed, yet playing nothing at all. The keyboard lid was raised and lowered again for the final movement, during which the audience whispered and muttered. ‘
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Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Aleatoric
| 11.06.03 06:18 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 11.06.03 08:55 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Aleatoric
| 11.06.03 14:23 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 11.06.03 23:28 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Aleatoric
| 13.06.03 02:02 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 13.06.03 07:54 |
Re: Cufk Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Pyиз
| 13.06.03 09:01 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| acoustic
| 13.06.03 13:18 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 13.06.03 18:00 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| acoustic
| 14.06.03 00:48 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| CyberGene
| 13.06.03 14:18 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Aleatoric
| 13.06.03 15:06 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:14 |
Добре де,
| зy
| 13.06.03 14:54 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 13.06.03 15:17 |
Re: Добре де,
| зy
| 13.06.03 15:35 |
И още нещо
| зy
| 13.06.03 15:47 |
Re: И още нещо
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:25 |
E, тЕ такова нещо не съм
| зy
| 17.06.03 00:06 |
А аз да не би
| cufk
| 17.06.03 09:43 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 13.06.03 19:08 |
Re: Добре де,
| CyberGene
| 13.06.03 19:44 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 13.06.03 22:33 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 13.06.03 23:26 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 14.06.03 01:23 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 14.06.03 10:17 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 14.06.03 17:58 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 14.06.03 22:13 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 15.06.03 07:50 |
към aleatoric
| acoustic
| 15.06.03 16:47 |
Re: към aleatoric
| Aleatoric
| 15.06.03 21:55 |
Re: към aleatoric
| acoustic
| 15.06.03 23:53 |
Re: към acoustic
| Aleatoric
| 16.06.03 08:14 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 16.06.03 10:53 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:39 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 16.06.03 23:52 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 17.06.03 00:11 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:35 |
Re: Добре де,
| CyberGene
| 15.06.03 17:54 |
Ia cheti malko po vnimatelno
| Aleatoric
| 15.06.03 21:44 |
Re: Добре де,
| Oблakът
| 19.06.03 00:01 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 13.06.03 23:42 |
Re: Добре де,
| acoustic
| 14.06.03 01:01 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 14.06.03 01:55 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 14.06.03 10:36 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 14.06.03 18:07 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 14.06.03 22:15 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:50 |
Re: Добре де,
| acoustic
| 15.06.03 16:36 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 16.06.03 10:26 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:45 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 00:03 |
Re: Добре де,
| acoustic
| 17.06.03 00:40 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 09:19 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 17.06.03 09:07 |
Re: Добре де,
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 09:23 |
Re: Добре де,
| Aleatoric
| 17.06.03 16:26 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:31 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:17 |
Re: Добре де,
| copland
| 19.12.06 00:27 |
Re: Добре де,
| cufk
| 16.06.03 23:10 |
Nai-posle
| Aleatoric
| 17.06.03 00:02 |
Re: Nai-posle
| cufk
| 17.06.03 09:32 |
Re: Добре де,
| copland
| 19.12.06 00:16 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Ивo
| 13.06.03 23:47 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 14.06.03 09:08 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Ивo
| 14.06.03 10:27 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| DESCH
| 22.08.03 00:00 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Ивo
| 22.08.03 10:59 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| desch
| 22.08.03 23:42 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Ивo
| 22.08.03 23:56 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| desch
| 23.08.03 00:10 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Aleatoric
| 11.06.03 15:21 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Pyиз
| 11.06.03 09:01 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Pyиз
| 13.06.03 10:11 |
Re: Рота, Гершуин, японци по Меzzo
| Pyиз
| 16.06.03 09:29 |
Re: Не Луиджи Ноно, а Нино Рота
| Pyиз
| 16.06.03 13:35 |
Re: Не Луиджи Ноно, а Нино Рота
| acoustic
| 16.06.03 20:53 |
Re: Не Луиджи Ноно, а Нино Рота
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 00:13 |
Re: Не Луиджи Ноно, а Нино Рота
| acoustic
| 17.06.03 01:31 |
Много правилен въпрос!!!
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 09:34 |
Re: Много правилен въпрос!!!
| cufk
| 17.06.03 09:47 |
Re: Много правилен въпрос!!!
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 10:07 |
Re: Много правилен въпрос!!!
| acoustic
| 18.06.03 00:38 |
Re: Много правилен въпрос!!!
| Ивo
| 18.06.03 00:46 |
Re: Много правилен въпрос!!!
| acoustic
| 18.06.03 01:24 |
molia za uvajenie
| Aleatoric
| 17.06.03 06:55 |
Re: molia za uvajenie
| Ивo
| 17.06.03 09:46 |
Re: molia za uvajenie
| cufk
| 17.06.03 10:03 |
Re: Шьонберг, Ноно
| Pyиз
| 17.06.03 09:54 |
prepared piano
| acoustic
| 18.06.03 00:04 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Cив
| 18.06.03 23:23 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Pyиз
| 19.06.03 08:28 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| acoustic
| 19.06.03 12:03 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| cufk
| 24.06.03 22:12 |
Re: Къфк Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Pyиз
| 25.06.03 08:30 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| gryicho
| 19.08.03 01:00 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Ивo
| 21.08.03 00:59 |
Много интересна тема!
| copland
| 16.12.06 00:32 |
Re: Много интересна тема!
| copland
| 16.12.06 00:38 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| 7/8
| 20.12.06 14:54 |
Re: Avant-Garde v BG ???
| Askeer
| 21.12.06 02:20 |
Какво е Авангард?
| copland
| 22.12.06 00:17 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| Askeer
| 22.12.06 03:19 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| copland
| 22.12.06 10:34 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| Askeer
| 22.12.06 12:55 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| modern
| 23.12.06 00:05 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| B.
| 23.12.06 09:41 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| Д.
| 22.12.06 13:57 |
Re: Какво е Авангард?
| mvf
| 24.12.06 16:33 |
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