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Тема A conversation between friends... [re: vidiya]
Автор vidiya (член)
Публикувано20.07.11 14:37  




Q. As there are so many religions, masters, paths and so many meditations, how one (The Seeker) can know for sure that the way He is taking, the Master He is following, the meditation He is doing is correct and leading Him to the right way? Please give me the answer.





A. Only the Heart knows the answer...

The true seekers destiny is reflected in the Masters presence.

And the Heart can feel it...





Q. Thanks for Ur reply. May I call U Father from now on?

Dear Father will I die without getting Enlightenment??

It is really painful for Me to think about that.

Will U plz show Me the way????

Im also a Osho Sanniyasi but I belong to Oshodhara.





A. First, a Master cannot be called a "Father"... He is just a friend, a friend who have travelled the path and returns to show the way to whomsoever asks... He is giving you guidance and courage on your way, He accompanies you on your journey 'till you arrive...



Second, you can never "get" enlightenment, because it's already the case... Enlightenment is just a re-memberance of what you really are... Making it a target and chasing it, you are just pushing it away...



Third, a sannyasin means that you don't belong to anyone, to any crowd, any mass... You are just an in-dividual on the way to re-cognition, with the guidance of a Master.



And about the way now... Meditation is the way. Osho have said everything about it!

If you still have any confusion about anything in particular, then you can ask whomever your heart trusts.





Q. Thanks for Your answer n guidance. I wanted to call U father coz my heart said me so.

My heart says that a real master is also a real Father. Though Im not Ur own Son but

...I have no words to explain n i know U know that. I have just started my journey.

I had taken Sannyas four years ago n reading Osho's books for more than 10 years.

Finally i came to know that i know nothing, im a complete novice. what i know is not my won

and it is really painful, my eyes r filled with tears right now. I"m unable to know the reason

of my own tears n my own pain. I think i have wasted my life. What is going on with me???

Sometimes my heart says that there is something pure and ......(i have no words)

is about to come.and im waiting for that day to come, though i dont know what it is...





A. A father has always being an authoritative figure, it doesn't fit with the meaning of friendship. A friendship is a relation between two equal individuals, equal in the sense that they are of the same nature.



Especially in religion the father is considered above the child, that has created much trouble in the past... And another thing is that the father is the one who is responsible of your creation... First, there is no beginning and no end to your nature, you don't have anybody responsible for your "creation"!



The spiritual friend, on the other hand, is one who has dis-covered his original nature and he can help you to dis-cover yours. It seems that you are disatisfied with your father and you are looking for a substitute... I saw that you admire a book with the title "Rich Dad - Poor Dad"! ...LOL



In that book, the ...Author(!), gives you info, how to achieve money-power... That's what a father does, he PASSES his knowledge to you... It cannot be YOUR experience, you take it by the influence of his authority...



The Master does not give you any in-formation... By sharing His experience, He helps you to walk in YOUR path, He is just a fellow traveller, who has walked the path and found His treasure and helps you to find YOURS... He is just a friend. There is no superiority, no inferiority in that relationship in any sense...



Love does not need the concept of fatherhood to be expressed, unless of course if you are missing real fatherhood in your life, but in that case it's just a psychological need, not love...



You say that you've just started your journey - but "you belong to Oshodhara"...What do you mean by "belonging"?



I've told you... "sannyasin means that you don't belong anywhere,to any crowd, any mass, any cult... You are just an in-dividual on the way to re-cognition, with the guidance of a Master"...



If there is a Master there, you don't need another, riding on two horses can be harmfull...

Each Master has His own ways... If there is not such a master there, ...then your heart cannot "belong" there...



Realising that "you know nothing", - meaning that your borrowed "knowledge" is useless - is a great step! That's where real sannyas begins... The path ends in really knowing nothing, living in the absolute Now-Here...



Your tears are your prayer.. That's the real prayer, expressed with tears and the pain that you feel, is from the longing of your heart... That pain is valuable, diving deep into that pain, will unfold your strength because on the bottom of this pain there is uplifting!



You are pregnant with Truth... and when the pain is wordless, it intensifyies 'till truth is born, and you are lifted to another dimencion!



Do not think that your life was wasted, because each single step that you have walked 'till now, was the sperm which made you pregnant... That pure thing that you are feeling inside you, is going to be born out of you, you are the mother of your own truth and the father is Existence, who provided the sperm of your trials...

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"A master is a mother, he is not a father. With a father you are related only intellectually, with mother your relation is total. You have been part of your mother, you belong to her totally. The same is the case with a master in the reverse order. You have come out of the mother, you will go into the master. It is a returning back to the source."- OSHO



Love & Light

Редактирано от vidiya на 20.07.11 14:49.



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* Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   20.01.11 00:03
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   20.01.11 00:10
. * Re: Happy Ostara, Osho!Be Blessed! vidiya   21.03.11 14:24
. * Приятели на Ошо празнуват Mиpo   20.01.11 14:22
. * Re: Странната аритметика на любовта vidiya   20.01.11 17:23
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! totori   20.01.11 19:26
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! L.L.   24.01.11 22:41
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! totori   24.01.11 22:50
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! L.L.   24.01.11 23:26
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! totori   24.01.11 23:52
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.01.11 03:12
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.01.11 02:21
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! totori   25.01.11 18:03
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.01.11 18:08
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! totori   25.01.11 18:23
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Mиpo   21.01.11 14:34
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   02.02.11 15:58
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   21.01.11 16:20
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   21.01.11 17:36
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Beдpocт   22.01.11 00:12
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   22.01.11 15:10
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! lYl 13   22.01.11 15:09
. * Нищо и Нещо Mиpo   23.01.11 19:51
. * Re: Нищо и Нещо lYl 13   24.01.11 11:03
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! vidiya   24.01.11 18:13
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! lYl 13   24.01.11 18:41
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! vidiya   24.01.11 21:39
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! lYl 13   24.01.11 23:50
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! vidiya   25.01.11 01:26
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! totori   24.01.11 22:26
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! Beдpocт   24.01.11 23:05
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! totori   24.01.11 23:17
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! Beдpocт   24.01.11 23:52
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! vidiya   25.01.11 02:39
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! Beдpocт   25.01.11 21:27
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! lYl 13   24.01.11 23:54
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! totori   24.01.11 23:59
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! vidiya   25.01.11 02:17
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! vidiya   25.01.11 01:30
. * Re:Благодаря, lYl 13!!! totori   25.01.11 18:18
. * Re:Osho Sky Celebrations vidiya   25.01.11 13:24
. * Re: Нищо и Нещо vidiya   25.01.11 14:41
. * Благодаря ти, Видия! Mиpo   26.01.11 14:51
. * Re: Благодаря Мирко,Тотори,ЛЛ,Ведрост,Иви 13 и.. ! vidiya   26.01.11 19:15
. * Re: Благодаря Мирко,Тотори,ЛЛ,Ведрост,Иви 13 и.. ! totori   26.01.11 20:06
. * Re: Благодаря Мирко,Тотори,ЛЛ,Ведрост,Иви 13 и.. ! L.L.   26.01.11 20:19
. * Пътя Mиpo   01.02.11 14:06
. * Re: Of Time... vidiya   01.02.11 19:57
. * Re: My love asked me: vidiya   02.02.11 12:52
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Prem   01.02.11 20:10
. * Re: Namaste,Prem! vidiya   02.02.11 12:41
. * Re: Namaste,vidiya! Prem   02.02.11 23:18
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   02.02.11 13:53
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   02.02.11 14:49
. * The Last Namaste Osho vidiya   03.02.11 03:15
. * Re: Seeing you... yes, I always cry vidiya   02.02.11 15:12
. * Ошо(на)воднение Mиpo   04.02.11 15:14
. * Re: Osho-Love vidiya   17.02.11 11:11
. * Re: Osho-Love за всички Миро   17.02.11 14:29
. * Re: Osho-Love за всички Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   04.03.11 16:12
. * Re: Osho-Love за всички Мирошо   17.03.11 15:06
. * Re: Osho-Love vidiya   01.03.11 10:55
. * Re: Osho-мартеница Миро   04.03.11 10:49
. * Re: Osho-мартеница vidiya   12.03.11 19:06
. * Re: Osho-Love Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   04.03.11 16:14
. * Re: Osho-Love vidiya   12.03.11 18:47
. * Re: Osho-Love vidiya   23.03.11 14:29
. * Re: Osho-Love Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   30.03.11 23:26
. * Re: Osho-Love vidiya   31.03.11 09:47
. * Re: Osho-Love Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   01.04.11 12:35
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! totori   12.03.11 20:53
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP vidiya   14.03.11 13:19
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP totori   19.03.11 20:44
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP vidiya   20.03.11 13:03
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP totori   20.03.11 16:23
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP vidiya   20.03.11 17:03
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP totori   20.03.11 17:15
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP vidiya   23.03.11 14:08
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP totori   20.03.11 16:25
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP vidiya   20.03.11 17:05
. * Re: OSHO-THE DISTURBER OF MY SLEEP totori   20.03.11 17:17
. * Re: The day you can start finding me wherever you vidiya   20.03.11 15:25
. * Re: The day you can start finding me wherever you totori   20.03.11 16:27
. * Re: The day you can start finding me wherever you vidiya   20.03.11 17:20
. * Re: The day you can start finding me wherever you totori   20.03.11 17:26
. * TranZenDance Мирошо   17.03.11 16:11
. * Re: TranZenDance totori   19.03.11 20:47
. * Ошо/Дао Mиpoшo   20.03.11 22:29
. * Re: Ошо/Дао Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   30.03.11 23:29
. * Re: Ошо/Дао totori   31.03.11 18:45
. * Re: Ошо/Дао Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   01.04.11 12:37
. * Re: Ошо/Дао totori   01.04.11 18:06
. * Re: Ошо/Дао Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   02.04.11 23:23
. * Re: TranZenDance vidiya   20.03.11 13:24
. * Re: TranZenDance Beдpocт   01.04.11 19:29
. * Osho - all my love I give to you vidiya   27.04.11 08:57
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you totori   27.04.11 20:30
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you vidiya   28.04.11 12:46
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you totori   28.04.11 16:59
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you vidiya   04.05.11 15:31
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you vidiya   06.05.11 13:11
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you vidiya   06.05.11 13:17
. * Re: Osho - all my love I give to you vidiya   06.05.11 13:24
. * Re: What are the qualities of a master... vidiya   13.05.11 08:55
. * Re: Osho-Разликата между предаване и зависимост vidiya   12.05.11 20:11
. * Re: Osho-Разликата между предаване и зависимост L.L.   12.05.11 22:20
. * Re: Osho-Разликата между предаване и зависимост vidiya   13.05.11 00:32
. * Re: Osho Dark Catherine   13.05.11 03:14
. * Re: Osho vidiya   13.05.11 09:04
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» vidiya   13.05.11 00:54
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» L.L.   13.05.11 11:22
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» Dark Catherine   13.05.11 21:22
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» vidiya   13.05.11 22:09
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» Dark Catherine   13.05.11 22:17
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» vidiya   13.05.11 23:04
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» Dark Catherine   14.05.11 01:27
. * Re: Osho-«Мъжът и жената. Танца на енергиите» vidiya   14.05.11 08:15
. * Re:Ошо, аз искам да се оженя.Моля ви, дайте ми сво vidiya   13.05.11 23:13
. * техниката по самоизгаряне Mиpo1   05.05.11 22:18
. * Re: Love Will Find A Way vidiya   06.05.11 13:00
. * СТОП и танцуване Mиpo1   27.05.11 15:52
. * Re: СТОП и танцуване vidiya   27.05.11 22:31
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   06.05.11 13:53
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   06.05.11 15:16
. * Re:To live with this moment great courage is neede vidiya   22.05.11 19:18
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 15:36
. * Re: Mind Is Drunk vidiya   25.05.11 15:41
. * Re: A Hope-less Hip-Hop Hippie Hopi says: We Are t vidiya   25.05.11 15:46
. * Re: Truth is not my property, I am not its owner.. vidiya   25.05.11 15:54
. * ~ OshO ~ If you enter into yourself, you will be s vidiya   25.05.11 16:34
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 16:39
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 16:46
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 16:50
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 16:55
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 16:59
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 17:04
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 17:27
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   25.05.11 17:36
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   31.05.11 18:50
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   02.06.11 07:52
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   02.06.11 07:57
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   03.06.11 18:02
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   10.06.11 06:29
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   10.06.11 07:51
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   11.06.11 11:18
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   13.06.11 19:17
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 19:34
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 19:41
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 19:54
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 20:09
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 20:16
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 20:53
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   15.06.11 21:06
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   20.06.11 18:23
. * Re: Благодаря ти, vidiya! Mиpo1   20.06.11 14:09
. * Re: Благодаря ти, vidiya! vidiya   20.06.11 18:17
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   20.06.11 18:26
. * Re: AM I -- Innocent ! vidiya   24.06.11 09:00
. * Re: I don't know why I am here ! vidiya   24.06.11 09:05
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   24.06.11 09:10
. * Re: The answers? are here, WITHIN vidiya   24.06.11 09:32
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   24.06.11 09:37
. * Re: OSHO THOUGHTS vidiya   03.07.11 03:11
. * Re: I'll see you again... Someday.. vidiya   03.07.11 13:58
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   03.07.11 14:14
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   03.07.11 19:50
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   03.07.11 19:54
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   03.07.11 19:59
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! L.L.   04.07.11 10:55
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   04.07.11 15:26
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   03.07.11 20:02
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! L.L.   04.07.11 10:54
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   04.07.11 15:17
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. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   04.07.11 22:54
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. * Re: ~ HERE ~ NOW ~ vidiya   06.07.11 15:23
. * Re: ~ HERE ~ NOW ~ vidiya   06.07.11 15:33
. * Search for your original face ! vidiya   11.07.11 00:23
. * Re: YOU are also, the ONLY begotten son of God ! vidiya   11.07.11 00:27
. * Re: YOU are also, the ONLY begotten son of God ! vidiya   11.07.11 00:31
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. * How can I find a master? vidiya   11.07.11 08:11
. * SAMATHI and THE METHOD... vidiya   11.07.11 13:08
. * A LETTER TO A MIDWIFE... vidiya   11.07.11 13:23
. * THE INNER COMPASS... vidiya   11.07.11 08:24
. * JE T'AIME vidiya   11.07.11 13:58
. * Love knows to roar like a lion too. vidiya   11.07.11 10:15
. * Споделено от ученици на Ошо.. vidiya   11.07.11 10:32
. * Meditation vidiya   11.07.11 10:38
. * Re: Споделено от ученици на Ошо.. vidiya   11.07.11 11:04
. * Thoughts emerge out of impulses in the belly... vidiya   12.07.11 08:25
. * Your mind is like a TV screen... vidiya   12.07.11 23:40
. * Aura story – science unlocking secrets of your ene vidiya   12.07.11 23:50
. * I Wonder If This Could Be Love vidiya   13.07.11 00:40
. * Настройки OSHO CELEBRATION vidiya   17.07.11 23:14
. * ~ OshO ~ My Master My Love ~ vidiya   18.07.11 22:19
. * The need of dropping the mind. vidiya   19.07.11 13:52
. * Overstanding - a Jesus - a Master ! vidiya   19.07.11 23:33
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   19.07.11 23:55
. * Swami Chaitanya Keerti meets Osho for the first ti vidiya   20.07.11 13:33
. * Would you like to share your first meeting with Os vidiya   20.07.11 13:43
. * A love letter... vidiya   20.07.11 14:22
. * The Ultimate Love Letter vidiya   20.07.11 14:31
. * A conversation between friends... vidiya   20.07.11 14:37
. * ...Needs ironing! vidiya   20.07.11 15:16
. * Interview with Swami Prem Chinmaya vidiya   20.07.11 15:36
. * Lovers chatting... vidiya   20.07.11 14:59
. * How Many Osho’s? vidiya   20.07.11 15:07
. * Love is the New Religion vidiya   24.07.11 23:27
. * Pagan and proud! - Only a Pagan becomes a Buddha a vidiya   26.07.11 21:01
. * Re: Pagan and proud! - Only a Pagan becomes a Buddha a Dark Catherine   26.07.11 22:16
. * Re: Pagan and proud! - Only a Pagan becomes a Buddha a vidiya   27.07.11 01:16
. * Re: Pagan and proud! - Only a Pagan becomes a Buddha a Dark Catherine   27.07.11 02:51
. * Re: Pagan and proud! - Only a Pagan becomes a Buddha a бeз ycилиe   27.07.11 06:42
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   03.09.11 21:12
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   04.09.11 09:29
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   16.06.12 22:26
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   16.06.12 22:38
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   16.06.12 22:44
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   16.06.12 22:59
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   16.06.12 23:12
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   16.06.12 23:56
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   17.06.12 15:18
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   17.06.12 21:49
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   18.06.12 16:31
. * Re: Безразличието... vidiya   20.06.12 22:31
. * Re: Безразличието... Exaybachay   21.06.12 01:51
. * Можело и още... Mиpo1   06.09.12 23:26
. * Re: Можело и още... vidiya   07.09.12 09:58
. * Re: Можело и още... Mиpo1   07.09.12 23:45
. * Re: Можело и още... vidiya   08.09.12 09:05
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Exaybachay   12.06.12 18:22
. * Re: OSHO MAHAPARINIRVAN DAY GREETING vidiya   19.01.12 10:03
. * Re: OSHO MAHAPARINIRVAN DAY GREETING Пpakтичнo-Poмaнтичнa   19.01.12 14:43
. * Възкръсването на Ошо Mиpo1   19.01.12 18:00
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! ludiq_poet   16.06.12 23:15
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   17.06.12 14:38
. * Обичам те! vidiya   17.06.12 18:48
. * Re: Songs of Awakening vidiya   16.09.12 12:53
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! vidiya   19.01.14 23:43
. * Re: Благодаря ти,Ошо! Миро   20.01.14 16:52
. * и снимки от старите ленти Миро   20.01.14 16:54
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