Мрак, не знам накъде биеш, но като даваш цитати поне ги давай докрай.Ако ще вадим неща ей-така от контекста, аз мога да докажа,че и баба ти е Манве. Ето какво е казал Толкин в "Unfinifshed tales":

Who was "Gandalf?" It is said that in later days (when again a shadow of evil arose in the Kingdom) it was believed by many of the "Faithful" of that time that "Gandalf" was the last appearance of Manwe himself, before his final withdrawal to the watchtower of Taniquetil. (That Gandalf said that his name "in the West" had been Olorin was, according to this belief, the adoption of an incognito, a mere by-name.) I do not (of course) know the truth of the matter, and if I did it would be a mistake to be more explicit than Gandalf was. But I think it was not so. Manwe will not descend from the Mountain until DagorDagorath, and the coming of the End, when Melkor returns. To the overthrow of Morgoth he sent his herald Eonwe. To the defeat of Sauron would he not then send some lesser (but mighty) spirit of the angelic people, one coëval and equal, doubtless, with Sauron in their beginnings, but not more? Olorin was his name. But of Olorin we shall never know more than he revealed in Gandalf.

Толкин е гениален именно ,защото във вселената му и в Средната земя- ние сме хората, които седят и се чудят за това, или онова. Това дава усещането за реалност, защото нищо реално не е категорично.

Но не мисля, че Гандалф е Манве...

Ако започнем така може спокойно да изкараме и че Саруман е Ауле, а Радагаст - Явана.

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