какво мислите за тренировката на майк менцер.
по 1 серия на упр. макс. 2-3 за група и по 3-7 дни почивки между тренировките, поне това разбрах от неговата книга.
лично пробвах по една серия и действително на другия ден имах силна муск. треска. мисля че ще работи. има ли някой опит с това трениране.......???????
Благодаря!

бях чел една статия "критика на heavy duty" .
факт е че има хора постигнали големи резултати с нея - примерно Дориан , но при провеждането на експеримент - 2 групи аматьори ( не трениращи) групата работеща по ортодоксалната методика има констатирани по-добри резултати. Обяснението за успеха на Дориан ( в статията ) е , че той е имал дзверски ген - дали с друга програма не би постигнал по-добри неща ... не се знае. Аз лично не бих я приложил . Нямам силови възможности ( слаб съм като сила ) и мисля , че при мен няма да върви . Тва е .

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Всъщност Дориан не е тренирал точно "хеви дюти". Така поне твърди той. Ето част от негово интервю:

T: Earlier in your career Mike Mentzer was taking a great deal of credit for putting you on the road to "Heavy Duty" training. Did you ever train with Mentzer, and was he ever really associated with you in any way?

Dorian: When I first started training, I read as much as possible; it was trial and error in the gym. I read a lot of stuff by Arthur Jones [Nautilus inventor], and Mentzer was in the magazines at the time. Through trial and error I noticed that if I went over a certain amount of volume in the gym, my progress would come to a stop. I'd become overtrained. I was always training with a lot of volume, high intensity, along those lines.

I met Mike Mentzer after I won my first Olympia in '92. I was at Gold's Gym in Venice doing photo shoots and met Mike. Of course he was someone I'd admired when I started training, and we were talking about training principles and so on. He had a personal training business and felt that when he was still competing he still overtrained, even though he was doing a lot less than everybody else. He felt it was possible to do even less, in terms of volume, and get even better results.

So yes, I did a few workouts with Mike and we exchanged ideas. He did have some input in my training at that time. I tried to reduce the volume a little bit more, but it was a minor adjustment because I was already training like that. So it's not correct to say Mike trained me. We did maybe three workouts together in Gold's Gym.

T: So he was an influence, like many people have been an influence?

Dorian: Yeah, he was an influence. I'll learn from wherever I can learn. I've probably learned many things from people during my career, but it would be incorrect to say anyone trained me or coached me or anything like that. You should never be too big to be able to pick up tips and learn. You have to keep an open mind. Mike was one of quite a few people who had some influence.

Of course, it was good for Mike's business to be associated with me, which I didn't particularly mind. Great, if it was going to help him. I wouldn't want anyone to take credit for training me 'cause it wouldn't be correct. Even if someone was training me, there's a whole bigger aspect to the sport than that. There's the nutrition and pre-contest prep and everything, which would be a totally different ballgame than when Mike was competing.

По - добра е от "съвременните" методи за тренировка, но си има недостатъци. По добре да тренираш по нея, отколкото по стандартните методики.

Kato che li e nai-dobrata sistema, koyato e izmislena dosega. Drug vupros e dali e edinstvenata dobra sistema, kakto tvurdeshe Mentzer. Toi promeni dosta neshta ot purvonachalnata High Intensity. Vuv vseki sluchai e trudno izcyalo da preminesh na neya, az i dosega ne moga da se prestrasha. No nishto ne ti prechi da izpolzavash nekoi principi, rezultatite sa garantirani. Ima i drug problem, Jones beshe predvidil za povecheto ot uprajneniata da se izpolzvat Nautilusi, az ne znam dali nekude v Bulgaria ima takiva machini, no sum chuval, che razlikata bila sushtestvena. Taka che neshto smeseno moje da se okaje nai-podhodyashto. Mejdu drugoto se tvurdi uporito, che po vreme na proslovutia experiment "Colorado" Casey Viator bil postupil tochno po tozi nachin.
Temata e mnogo interesna i ako ima jelaeshti da experimentirat, az mislya che imam nekude vkushti edin variant za trenirovka i bih mogul da go postna. Stava duma za neshto ne chak tolkova radikalno, zapochva se s podgotvitelen period 4 trenirovki sedmichno / teloto razdeleno na 2 za da se stigne do 3 trenirovki na celoto telo. Trenirovkite sa okolo 30-minutni, no imaite predvid, che natovarvaneto e deistvitelno zversko! Pochivki mejdu seriite NE-MA!!!

Aaaa, Viper! Ya kaji, ti otkude nameri knigata?

postni go - 6e e interesno

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Bell, i na men ste mi e interesno da proceta povece po temata.
Nqkoi probval li e tozi metod i s kakvi licni nabludeniq e ostanal... knigite i intervutata nastrana.

a btw, nqkoi procital li e "The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding" na bat' arni ?

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ot taq statiq ne razbrah to4no po kakva trenirovka trenira a samo 4e e 4el mnogo knigi i se u4il ot mnogo mesta po malko...
spored men ne trqbva da prenebregvame kilogramite hap4eta koito e izgyltal i desetkite ako ne i stotici injekcii koito si e bil...

луд съм мамо, ям паркет!!!