Сбогом Груйо?
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Сбогом Груйо?
Десетки хиляди македонци и албанци се стекоха в Скопие на най-големия антиправителствен протест от 1991 г. Те скандираха "Ние няма да бъдем роби" и "Оставка".
Хората блокираха централния булевард и площада пред сградата на правителството, като много от тях пристигнаха с автобуси от цялата страна, развявайки червено-жълти македонски знамена, съобщиха "Фокус" и БТА.
Протестиращите обвиняват властта, че е погазила демокрацията и се заканват, че останат на площада, докато премиерът Никола Груевски не се оттегли.
Хората скандираха: "Сбогом, Груйо" и "Груйо, отивай си". Опозиционерите държаха в ръце плакати със зачеркнатия образ на министър-председателя и с лозунги „Сбогом Никола“ и „Цензурата е забранена“. Митингът на обединената опозиция в Македония премина спокойно и без никакви инциденти.
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Лидерът на опозиционния Социалдемократически съюз на Македония (СДСМ) Зоран Заев призова за едноминутно мълчание за загиналите полицаи в Куманово и в знак на подкрепа на силите за сигурност.
"Изпращам ясно послание в името на всички, които сме се събрали тук: македонци, албанци, турци, сърби, роми, власи, босненци – от всички етнически общности в Македония, от различни краища на страната, от различни сдружения и организации, от различни политически партии и различни политически определения: Груевски, не отлагай. И сам виждаш, че твоето приключи. Заминавай си!“, каза Заев.
По думите му, заедно с Груевски оставка трябва да подадат и главния прокурор Марко Звърлевски, както и прокурорът за организирана престъпност Йован Илиевски.
"Единственото решение на кризата е оставка на Никола Груевски. Необходимо е постигането на политически договор за формиране на преходно правителство, която да имам мандат да създаде условия за организиране на свободни и честни предсрочни парламентарни избори“, заяви още опозиционният лидер.
Демострантите поискаха оставката и на министъра на здравеопазването на Македония Никола Тодоров. Пред протестиращите излезе журналистът Огнен Янески, който беше организатор на хуманитарната акция за операцията на 10-годишната Тамара, която почина преди да й бъдат отпуснати пари за операция в чужбина.
„Днес Тамара не е сред нас, а виновникът за това има име: Никола Тодоров. Оставка“, заяви Янески.
Според повечето оценки, това е най-дълбоката политическа криза в страната след отделянето й от бивша Югославия преди 24 години.
Протестът бе подкрепен от над 15 политически партии и десетки граждански сдружения. Евродепутати също пристигнаха да подкрепят протеста на македонските граждани. Сред тях бе и председателят на ПЕС Сергей Станишев, който също говори пред демонстрантите.
„Вашето послание е ясно. Вашето послание е, че вие искате мир. Чух, че много години нямаше свобода на словото. Но това повече не е приемливо. Чух много хора, които са провъзгласени за врагове, тъй като имат различно мнение. Това е неприемливо. Искам да изразя своите съболезнования до семействата на всички, които загинаха в Куманово“, заяви Станишев.
Малко преди 19 ч. протестът приключи и хората се разотидоха. Част от демонстрантите обаче остават пред сградата на правителството на палатков лагер.
Зоран Заев съобщи, че около 4000 активисти са изразили готовност да продължат митинга на булевард "Илинден" срещу централния вход на сградата на правителството.
Социалдемократите възнамеряват протестите да продължават всяка вечер, докато не бъде изпълнено искането им за оставка на Груевски и цялото правителство.
Управляващата в Македония консервативна партия ВМРО-ДПМНЕ организира утре общонароден митинг "в подкрепа на стабилна и силна Македония".
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
Хората блокираха централния булевард и площада пред сградата на правителството, като много от тях пристигнаха с автобуси от цялата страна, развявайки червено-жълти македонски знамена, съобщиха "Фокус" и БТА.
Протестиращите обвиняват властта, че е погазила демокрацията и се заканват, че останат на площада, докато премиерът Никола Груевски не се оттегли.
Хората скандираха: "Сбогом, Груйо" и "Груйо, отивай си". Опозиционерите държаха в ръце плакати със зачеркнатия образ на министър-председателя и с лозунги „Сбогом Никола“ и „Цензурата е забранена“. Митингът на обединената опозиция в Македония премина спокойно и без никакви инциденти.
Вижте снимки>>>
Лидерът на опозиционния Социалдемократически съюз на Македония (СДСМ) Зоран Заев призова за едноминутно мълчание за загиналите полицаи в Куманово и в знак на подкрепа на силите за сигурност.
"Изпращам ясно послание в името на всички, които сме се събрали тук: македонци, албанци, турци, сърби, роми, власи, босненци – от всички етнически общности в Македония, от различни краища на страната, от различни сдружения и организации, от различни политически партии и различни политически определения: Груевски, не отлагай. И сам виждаш, че твоето приключи. Заминавай си!“, каза Заев.
По думите му, заедно с Груевски оставка трябва да подадат и главния прокурор Марко Звърлевски, както и прокурорът за организирана престъпност Йован Илиевски.
"Единственото решение на кризата е оставка на Никола Груевски. Необходимо е постигането на политически договор за формиране на преходно правителство, която да имам мандат да създаде условия за организиране на свободни и честни предсрочни парламентарни избори“, заяви още опозиционният лидер.
Демострантите поискаха оставката и на министъра на здравеопазването на Македония Никола Тодоров. Пред протестиращите излезе журналистът Огнен Янески, който беше организатор на хуманитарната акция за операцията на 10-годишната Тамара, която почина преди да й бъдат отпуснати пари за операция в чужбина.
„Днес Тамара не е сред нас, а виновникът за това има име: Никола Тодоров. Оставка“, заяви Янески.
Според повечето оценки, това е най-дълбоката политическа криза в страната след отделянето й от бивша Югославия преди 24 години.
Протестът бе подкрепен от над 15 политически партии и десетки граждански сдружения. Евродепутати също пристигнаха да подкрепят протеста на македонските граждани. Сред тях бе и председателят на ПЕС Сергей Станишев, който също говори пред демонстрантите.
„Вашето послание е ясно. Вашето послание е, че вие искате мир. Чух, че много години нямаше свобода на словото. Но това повече не е приемливо. Чух много хора, които са провъзгласени за врагове, тъй като имат различно мнение. Това е неприемливо. Искам да изразя своите съболезнования до семействата на всички, които загинаха в Куманово“, заяви Станишев.
Малко преди 19 ч. протестът приключи и хората се разотидоха. Част от демонстрантите обаче остават пред сградата на правителството на палатков лагер.
Зоран Заев съобщи, че около 4000 активисти са изразили готовност да продължат митинга на булевард "Илинден" срещу централния вход на сградата на правителството.
Социалдемократите възнамеряват протестите да продължават всяка вечер, докато не бъде изпълнено искането им за оставка на Груевски и цялото правителство.
Управляващата в Македония консервативна партия ВМРО-ДПМНЕ организира утре общонароден митинг "в подкрепа на стабилна и силна Македония".
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
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Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Направи ми впечатление, че беше пълно с албански знамена, имаше и турски и дори цигански знамена. Албанците произнасяха речи на албански и въобще не им пукаше. Там беше и Станишев от името на ПЕС дръпна слово на английски, което завърши с две-три изречения на български, като нарече хората от площада "наши братя и сестри".
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#3
Това катода беше протест
срешту македонизма и Р МАКедонија. Турци, балгари, срби, цигани, шиптари, торбеши, власи, всичко, само македонци нема никаде.
Ете това е МАКЕДОНСКИ ЈАЗИК
Ете това е МАКЕДОНСКИ ЈАЗИК
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#6
Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Обаче нямаше Бългериън флегс....
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
Re: С Грујо сме на збогом оште
като пак няма да ви позволят да сте българи ама те и особено не се натискат да са българи, искат си да са горди югословени...и ги разбирам донякъде, с оглед на арнаутската напаст...
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
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#8
Re: С Грујо сме на збогом оште
...по скоро с оглед на вездесъщата утба, смятам. Арнаутите знаят истината за фиро-дунеците. Години ще минат, много години, за да се признае геноцида на цял един народ български изчезнал зад Беласица. Впрочем, това ще е теста за истинската промяна там. 25 години минаха, никакви зачатъци. Така че, тест няма да има, българи тоже.
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#9
Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Груевски е тъпо парче. Защо му трябваше да спрята театрото в Куманово при това толкова елементарно и безвкусно? Сега и то е срещу него.
Другото, което ми направи впечатление е елементаризма и на на'ща Тиква. По абсолютно подобен тъпашки начин се опита да изкяри и той дивиденти от случката (бил пратил армията на границата?!). Очевидно е българска черта да смяташ хората за олигофрени.
Другото, което ми направи впечатление е елементаризма и на на'ща Тиква. По абсолютно подобен тъпашки начин се опита да изкяри и той дивиденти от случката (бил пратил армията на границата?!). Очевидно е българска черта да смяташ хората за олигофрени.
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#10
Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Като дойде на власт Заев ще се наблегне на уникалността на македонските славяни и техния език, на антифашистката борба /срещу бугарските окупатори/ и пр.
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#11
Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Именно, обаче може би е по-добре от антиквизацията все пак, макар че кой знае...
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
Што знам што луѓе ќе бидат? Ако се Бугари, арно - ќе се разберам...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\".
Грцка му работа..... оште ги држи страх
од велика Балгариа...
Александар Јосифовски in terms of ethnic issues I mean
Александар Јосифовски I think that it is someone bigger who got sick from Nikola Gruev ski
Александар Јосифовски it is not Kosovo and it is not Greece
Petros Kosmopoulos We need a translator.
Alexander Billinis I can translate
Александар Јосифовски thanks Alexander Billinis
Alexander Billinis Razbira se . . .
Александар Јосифовски ДЕН КАТАЛАВЕНО ?
Peter Kalla so it's not the Albanians of Fyrom but Kosovo Александар Јосифовски ?
Alexander Billinis Tova e balgarski, to e skoro isti ezik. Mogu bolje na srpskom pricati ako znate . . .
Peter Kalla ουτε εμεις Αλεκσαντρε
Александар Јосифовски како желиш Алекс може и то и то
Alexander Billinis pa svi iz bivse SFRJ razume srpski
Александар Јосифовски yes Alex , that is right, but maybe some other time
Petros Kosmopoulos This reminds me of a scene from Lost in Translation staring Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson.
Petros Kosmopoulos It's my favourite movie. Just saying.
Александар Јосифовски nice movie tongue emoticon
Александар Јосифовски I don't know if Kalla noticed the behavior of Moskow on Macedonian late events ?
Alexander Billinis Actually, Petro, in the old days it was typical for people to speak their neighbors' language
Petros Kosmopoulos Indeed. Nothing wrong with that Alexander.
Alexander Billinis Its a sign of respect
Alexander Billinis It is still common in Macedonia today for people to understand our northern neighbors
Peter Kalla Tsakonian isn't Slavic Gerasimos
Александар Јосифовски I am very much afraid that the game is bigger than few local unsatisfied Albanians
Costa D'Love What a game
Alexander Billinis agree Aleksandre
Александар Јосифовски secretary Kerry said something some time ago...[линк]
Evangelos Pappis Greece will not be affected by this . Albanians won't open up another front with Greece . Both are NATO members
Alexander Billinis YEs, I believe Greece and Turkey are NATO members too . . .
Evangelos Pappis Yes that's why a war won't happen. Also the Russian pipeline won't pass from Greece or any other Balkan country ..USA will stop it at all cost .
Perry Bakolias I really can't be bothered with this bullshit. Send in the armed forces and wipe them of the map. It's no more than a few hour operation.
Nik Kapolos Funny enough perry my father said the same thing back in the early nineties. His words were there are about a million gifti living in that region and we should go in and take control.
Peter Louk It's about the oil and gas agreements with the bigger countries has been made the rest is a diversion
Antony Margetis I've always said it...the "Macedonian" matter will be solved by the Albanians...
Alexander Billinis Most of you are not even Greek citizens. My country does not have the right to do such a thing. Only
DIASPORA nuts think that way
Alexander Billinis Just as bad as their diaspora
Nik Kapolos Archaeological evidence will prove once and for all the truth.
Peter Kalla Only through proper education
Nik Kapolos Alexander my father was a Greek citizen so he had a right of opinion mate. No one wants war but seriously these clowns are pests
Antony Margetis Greece should not get involved...it's ridiculous to suggest the Greek armed forces to be involved in this matter...
Alexander Billinis Well I am one and say no
Nik Kapolos I don't think with a leader like tsipras Antony we will see an attack by Greek forces lol
Antony Margetis We should never see an attack to FYROM regardless of who runs the country Nik...it's not in our interest to get involved...
Evangelos Pappis If Bulgaria invades we need to go in and create a buffer zone . Greater Bulgaria should never be tolerated from Greece
Александар Јосифовски aha...here we go again
Evangelos Pappis I don't believe in the destruction of Skopje
Evangelos Pappis Or the partition of the area
Александар Јосифовски this is very long story Evangelos..we are where we are today because Bulgaria "must have not be great"..old story
Александар Јосифовски ok..you managed to stop BIG BULGARIA...but you have got something else..now live with it
Александар Јосифовски a territory that should have belong (by some ethnic and cultural parameters) at least 50% to Bulgaria or become independent state was actually devided between Greece and Serbia becauseEngland,France Russia and Austria said so
Александар Јосифовски so no you should go to them and ask then to make us vanish...
Evangelos Pappis Your prime minister will collapse and Skopje will be back under western yoke and all will be fine .
Evangelos Pappis What is this something else you are talking about ?
Александар Јосифовски That's us
John Giannikos Aleksander, I would have thought one of the main reasons Bulgaria was left with only 11% of the spoils was because it's front was stretched to Adrianople. This made it possible for the Serbs to take significant territory with minimal resistance.
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John Giannikos Bulgaria has every right to reclaim territory that belongs to it, they are however unlikely to do so unless their hand is forced. Greece has very good relations with Bulgaria today.
Evangelos Pappis Greater Bulgaria is a Threat to Greece and should never be tolerated . Am sure the Greek military agrees with me .
Alexander Billinis you know nothing
Evangelos Pappis And u do right
Alexander Billinis yes, I do. I may be a broken watch but I am right twice a day.
Evangelos Pappis Nice one lol
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Petros Kosmopoulos Antony Margetis is right. Greece should stay right out of this mess in FYROM. Not in our interest to get involved. And besides, the Albanians will determine whether this state lives on in its current format.
Peter Louk If was not for the diaspora Greeks Greece would if vanished in Greece it's self too many traitors
Peter Louk If Bulgaria has right to what is theirs
Then the Greeks should reclaim everything that is rightly ours !!!
Peter Louk Let the Albanians sort them out
But we still require to be carefull
Peter Louk Half of Bulgaria was Greek land !!!!!!!!
John Giannikos In fairness to the Bulgarians, they were hard done with following the second Balkan War. The truth is they did some of the heaviest fighting against the Turks in Adrianople and won, the Serbs took advantage of this and took way more of modern day FYROM than they deserved,predominantly at the expense of Bulgaria.
John Giannikos Peter Louk, come on mate, how on earth was half of Bulgaria Greek land? The Ancient Thracians were a non Hellenic people.
Peter Louk John
In fairness to your statement ...See More
John Giannikos Do not doubt it Louk, however what happened in the Balkan Wars was unfair. BTW, you should read up on what happened to the Bulgarians of Kilkis, they were also slaughtered by the Greek army.
Peter Louk Here we go they were not Greek
So were the Macedonians ...See More
John Giannikos Off course the Ancient Macedonians were Greek, however Thracians were never Greek.
Evangelos Pappis War should be the last option for Greece . But if we see threat to are country in are northern borders then we need to do what we must .
Antony Margetis Peter we live in 2015...you on the other hand live in 1910...
Evangelos Pappis [линк]
Macedonia police fight an 'armed terrorist group' - BBC News
Police in Macedonia are fighting a heavily-armed group...
bbc.com
John Barbagiannis The issue is if the FYROMians admitted that they were Bulgarians they will not only have help from the Bulgarians but from the Greeks in their Albanian issues.
Evangelos Pappis Greece doesn't want Skopje to unite with Bulgaria . It's the worse that can happen for Greece and we should never let it happen . Also Parts of Skopje with Albania . If Albanians in Skopje try to Unite with Albania there's good possibility that Greece will light the fuse in Northern Epirus
Peter Vlahos Something in the Balkans will create greater issues for the entire continent of Europe. .....as for Greece it has no policy pull on the issues in the Balkans and this particular government has totally no idea how to conduct a proper foreign policy. ...
John Giannikos Most commentators in the region are suggesting Gruevski has staged this uprising as a diversion from the wire tapping scandal.
John Giannikos Greece is in Southern Europe, not the Balkans.
Let us hope however, that stability prevails in the region and Gruevski is arrested and the nation to our north unites as Vardarska Banovina.
Alexander Billinis we are Balkan. Gimme a break. I am a Balkan, you are delusional to think we are not Balkan.
Alexander Billinis Balkans=Greece, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Turkey (Thrace and Aegean Turkey), Romania, Bosnia, Montenegro. I know you live in Australia but I take it you study geography in school.
John Giannikos I will never ever agree Greece is Balkan. Geographically at best Northern Greece, but other than with Tosk Albanians, we are very different from our northern neighbours.
Your opinion is exclusively shaped by your own individual bias.
Alexander Billinis It does not matter what you say, you are ignorant of geography
Alexander Billinis by the way, my wife is from extreme northern Serbia, Vojvodina, that is not the Balkans, but Central Europe, so there is no "marital bias"
John Giannikos Good luck finding tourist brochures of the Balkans mentioning Greece.
Balkans = Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, FYROM and Romania.
Alexander Billinis and given your great experience in ex Yugoslavia, you should know where that is. Your bias is as great as those Australian Slavomacedonians.
Alexander Billinis How about Balkan Wars?
John Giannikos You should learn to be more tolerant to others opinions before going on a rant, not everybody needs to agree with you.
The Balkan Wars were fought in parts of Northern Greece (read by comments carefully).
My experiences in the ex Yugoslavia are far more extensive than you assume.
Alexander Billinis no they dont, and I enjoy and respect people who utterly disagree with me. But I can guess well the roots of your opinions, which is why I am less tolerant. You see me arguing with Grand Pupa Peter Kalla and my friend Peter Adamis all the time, but some people I have less time for, for reasons "more extensive than you assume."
Peter Louk Antony last time I checked I live in 2015
Peter Louk So north of Greece and south are different
John Giannikos Sitting in a restaurant in Bosnia having goulash, sarma and chevapi, while being served by tall Russian looking people is about as far away from Greece as I could imagine, but hey, maybe that is just my perspective.
John Giannikos [линк]...
Balkans
Easternmost of Europe’s three great southern peninsulas. There is not universal agreement on the...
britannica.com
John Giannikos Looks like Greece is considered Mediterranean rather than Balkan by Britannica.
George Yiorgos Tsitsis And it's economy is considered third world. African I would say with all due respect. Definitely not European
George Vasil they create their own problems,but having a nation based upon lies.the foundation of a home needs to be strong.they cannot fabricate their origins and leave a section of the people out.Bulgaria has a massive Turkish population,but it does quite well in being able to encompass them into the community.they will have serious problems very soon if they dont change tactics and attitudes...which of course they wont !
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Peter Louk P.s
All these diversions is so all of us keep debating about scraps while the superpowers have designed their new countries and borders ...S
Peter Kalla At least five police officers have died in clashes in Fyrom with an armed group from an unidentified neighbouring state, say officials.
The fighting in Kumanovo, close to the northern borders with Kosovo and Serbia, left another 20 injured....See More
Jimmy Elvis Efthimiou Let them kill themselves
Jimmy Elvis Efthimiou Who cares
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Александар Јосифовски in terms of ethnic issues I mean
Александар Јосифовски I think that it is someone bigger who got sick from Nikola Gruev ski
Александар Јосифовски it is not Kosovo and it is not Greece
Petros Kosmopoulos We need a translator.
Alexander Billinis I can translate
Александар Јосифовски thanks Alexander Billinis
Alexander Billinis Razbira se . . .
Александар Јосифовски ДЕН КАТАЛАВЕНО ?
Peter Kalla so it's not the Albanians of Fyrom but Kosovo Александар Јосифовски ?
Alexander Billinis Tova e balgarski, to e skoro isti ezik. Mogu bolje na srpskom pricati ako znate . . .
Peter Kalla ουτε εμεις Αλεκσαντρε
Александар Јосифовски како желиш Алекс може и то и то
Alexander Billinis pa svi iz bivse SFRJ razume srpski
Александар Јосифовски yes Alex , that is right, but maybe some other time
Petros Kosmopoulos This reminds me of a scene from Lost in Translation staring Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson.
Petros Kosmopoulos It's my favourite movie. Just saying.
Александар Јосифовски nice movie tongue emoticon
Александар Јосифовски I don't know if Kalla noticed the behavior of Moskow on Macedonian late events ?
Alexander Billinis Actually, Petro, in the old days it was typical for people to speak their neighbors' language
Petros Kosmopoulos Indeed. Nothing wrong with that Alexander.
Alexander Billinis Its a sign of respect
Alexander Billinis It is still common in Macedonia today for people to understand our northern neighbors
Peter Kalla Tsakonian isn't Slavic Gerasimos
Александар Јосифовски I am very much afraid that the game is bigger than few local unsatisfied Albanians
Costa D'Love What a game
Alexander Billinis agree Aleksandre
Александар Јосифовски secretary Kerry said something some time ago...[линк]
Evangelos Pappis Greece will not be affected by this . Albanians won't open up another front with Greece . Both are NATO members
Alexander Billinis YEs, I believe Greece and Turkey are NATO members too . . .
Evangelos Pappis Yes that's why a war won't happen. Also the Russian pipeline won't pass from Greece or any other Balkan country ..USA will stop it at all cost .
Perry Bakolias I really can't be bothered with this bullshit. Send in the armed forces and wipe them of the map. It's no more than a few hour operation.
Nik Kapolos Funny enough perry my father said the same thing back in the early nineties. His words were there are about a million gifti living in that region and we should go in and take control.
Peter Louk It's about the oil and gas agreements with the bigger countries has been made the rest is a diversion
Antony Margetis I've always said it...the "Macedonian" matter will be solved by the Albanians...
Alexander Billinis Most of you are not even Greek citizens. My country does not have the right to do such a thing. Only
DIASPORA nuts think that way
Alexander Billinis Just as bad as their diaspora
Nik Kapolos Archaeological evidence will prove once and for all the truth.
Peter Kalla Only through proper education
Nik Kapolos Alexander my father was a Greek citizen so he had a right of opinion mate. No one wants war but seriously these clowns are pests
Antony Margetis Greece should not get involved...it's ridiculous to suggest the Greek armed forces to be involved in this matter...
Alexander Billinis Well I am one and say no
Nik Kapolos I don't think with a leader like tsipras Antony we will see an attack by Greek forces lol
Antony Margetis We should never see an attack to FYROM regardless of who runs the country Nik...it's not in our interest to get involved...
Evangelos Pappis If Bulgaria invades we need to go in and create a buffer zone . Greater Bulgaria should never be tolerated from Greece
Александар Јосифовски aha...here we go again
Evangelos Pappis I don't believe in the destruction of Skopje
Evangelos Pappis Or the partition of the area
Александар Јосифовски this is very long story Evangelos..we are where we are today because Bulgaria "must have not be great"..old story
Александар Јосифовски ok..you managed to stop BIG BULGARIA...but you have got something else..now live with it
Александар Јосифовски a territory that should have belong (by some ethnic and cultural parameters) at least 50% to Bulgaria or become independent state was actually devided between Greece and Serbia becauseEngland,France Russia and Austria said so
Александар Јосифовски so no you should go to them and ask then to make us vanish...
Evangelos Pappis Your prime minister will collapse and Skopje will be back under western yoke and all will be fine .
Evangelos Pappis What is this something else you are talking about ?
Александар Јосифовски That's us
John Giannikos Aleksander, I would have thought one of the main reasons Bulgaria was left with only 11% of the spoils was because it's front was stretched to Adrianople. This made it possible for the Serbs to take significant territory with minimal resistance.
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John Giannikos Bulgaria has every right to reclaim territory that belongs to it, they are however unlikely to do so unless their hand is forced. Greece has very good relations with Bulgaria today.
Evangelos Pappis Greater Bulgaria is a Threat to Greece and should never be tolerated . Am sure the Greek military agrees with me .
Alexander Billinis you know nothing
Evangelos Pappis And u do right
Alexander Billinis yes, I do. I may be a broken watch but I am right twice a day.
Evangelos Pappis Nice one lol
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Petros Kosmopoulos Antony Margetis is right. Greece should stay right out of this mess in FYROM. Not in our interest to get involved. And besides, the Albanians will determine whether this state lives on in its current format.
Peter Louk If was not for the diaspora Greeks Greece would if vanished in Greece it's self too many traitors
Peter Louk If Bulgaria has right to what is theirs
Then the Greeks should reclaim everything that is rightly ours !!!
Peter Louk Let the Albanians sort them out
But we still require to be carefull
Peter Louk Half of Bulgaria was Greek land !!!!!!!!
John Giannikos In fairness to the Bulgarians, they were hard done with following the second Balkan War. The truth is they did some of the heaviest fighting against the Turks in Adrianople and won, the Serbs took advantage of this and took way more of modern day FYROM than they deserved,predominantly at the expense of Bulgaria.
John Giannikos Peter Louk, come on mate, how on earth was half of Bulgaria Greek land? The Ancient Thracians were a non Hellenic people.
Peter Louk John
In fairness to your statement ...See More
John Giannikos Do not doubt it Louk, however what happened in the Balkan Wars was unfair. BTW, you should read up on what happened to the Bulgarians of Kilkis, they were also slaughtered by the Greek army.
Peter Louk Here we go they were not Greek
So were the Macedonians ...See More
John Giannikos Off course the Ancient Macedonians were Greek, however Thracians were never Greek.
Evangelos Pappis War should be the last option for Greece . But if we see threat to are country in are northern borders then we need to do what we must .
Antony Margetis Peter we live in 2015...you on the other hand live in 1910...
Evangelos Pappis [линк]
Macedonia police fight an 'armed terrorist group' - BBC News
Police in Macedonia are fighting a heavily-armed group...
bbc.com
John Barbagiannis The issue is if the FYROMians admitted that they were Bulgarians they will not only have help from the Bulgarians but from the Greeks in their Albanian issues.
Evangelos Pappis Greece doesn't want Skopje to unite with Bulgaria . It's the worse that can happen for Greece and we should never let it happen . Also Parts of Skopje with Albania . If Albanians in Skopje try to Unite with Albania there's good possibility that Greece will light the fuse in Northern Epirus
Peter Vlahos Something in the Balkans will create greater issues for the entire continent of Europe. .....as for Greece it has no policy pull on the issues in the Balkans and this particular government has totally no idea how to conduct a proper foreign policy. ...
John Giannikos Most commentators in the region are suggesting Gruevski has staged this uprising as a diversion from the wire tapping scandal.
John Giannikos Greece is in Southern Europe, not the Balkans.
Let us hope however, that stability prevails in the region and Gruevski is arrested and the nation to our north unites as Vardarska Banovina.
Alexander Billinis we are Balkan. Gimme a break. I am a Balkan, you are delusional to think we are not Balkan.
Alexander Billinis Balkans=Greece, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Turkey (Thrace and Aegean Turkey), Romania, Bosnia, Montenegro. I know you live in Australia but I take it you study geography in school.
John Giannikos I will never ever agree Greece is Balkan. Geographically at best Northern Greece, but other than with Tosk Albanians, we are very different from our northern neighbours.
Your opinion is exclusively shaped by your own individual bias.
Alexander Billinis It does not matter what you say, you are ignorant of geography
Alexander Billinis by the way, my wife is from extreme northern Serbia, Vojvodina, that is not the Balkans, but Central Europe, so there is no "marital bias"
John Giannikos Good luck finding tourist brochures of the Balkans mentioning Greece.
Balkans = Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, FYROM and Romania.
Alexander Billinis and given your great experience in ex Yugoslavia, you should know where that is. Your bias is as great as those Australian Slavomacedonians.
Alexander Billinis How about Balkan Wars?
John Giannikos You should learn to be more tolerant to others opinions before going on a rant, not everybody needs to agree with you.
The Balkan Wars were fought in parts of Northern Greece (read by comments carefully).
My experiences in the ex Yugoslavia are far more extensive than you assume.
Alexander Billinis no they dont, and I enjoy and respect people who utterly disagree with me. But I can guess well the roots of your opinions, which is why I am less tolerant. You see me arguing with Grand Pupa Peter Kalla and my friend Peter Adamis all the time, but some people I have less time for, for reasons "more extensive than you assume."
Peter Louk Antony last time I checked I live in 2015
Peter Louk So north of Greece and south are different
John Giannikos Sitting in a restaurant in Bosnia having goulash, sarma and chevapi, while being served by tall Russian looking people is about as far away from Greece as I could imagine, but hey, maybe that is just my perspective.
John Giannikos [линк]...
Balkans
Easternmost of Europe’s three great southern peninsulas. There is not universal agreement on the...
britannica.com
John Giannikos Looks like Greece is considered Mediterranean rather than Balkan by Britannica.
George Yiorgos Tsitsis And it's economy is considered third world. African I would say with all due respect. Definitely not European
George Vasil they create their own problems,but having a nation based upon lies.the foundation of a home needs to be strong.they cannot fabricate their origins and leave a section of the people out.Bulgaria has a massive Turkish population,but it does quite well in being able to encompass them into the community.they will have serious problems very soon if they dont change tactics and attitudes...which of course they wont !
John Giannikos replied · 2 Replies
Peter Louk P.s
All these diversions is so all of us keep debating about scraps while the superpowers have designed their new countries and borders ...S
Peter Kalla At least five police officers have died in clashes in Fyrom with an armed group from an unidentified neighbouring state, say officials.
The fighting in Kumanovo, close to the northern borders with Kosovo and Serbia, left another 20 injured....See More
Jimmy Elvis Efthimiou Let them kill themselves
Jimmy Elvis Efthimiou Who cares
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#18
Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Обаче нямаше Бългериън флегс...
Имаше.
Нови правила, но същата игра.
Имаше.
Нови правила, но същата игра.
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#20
Re: Сбогом Груйо?
Не. Имаше българско знаме сред протестиращите. Станишев получи аплодисменти. Речта му беше много добра.
Нови правила, но същата игра.
Нови правила, но същата игра.