Лавот, добре дошъл

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Лавот, добре дошъл

Тук сите сме стари кучиня, а явно и ти си стручняк по материята, затова викам да те хвърляме в дълбокото от самото начало.

Както сите знаеме, “Any information that has no sources or written accounts becomes entirely subjective. It only exists in people’s heads, and as it passes through generations, facts become memories, and memories become stories. Stories finally end up as myths. That’s how facts slowly enter the realm of fantasy until no one knows what part of them is true.”, та за това смятам да те върна към писмените сведения за историята на твоя си народ.

Представям ти едно документче (на английски, понеже целият свят вече разбра, че македончинята не го разбирате бугарския). В края му се крият едно-две въпросчета към теб

A report of the leaders of the Ilinden Uprising in the Kostour region sent to all foreign consulates in Bitolya, and containing information about the rebel operations, 23 Bulgarian villages burnt, and old people,women and children killed or captured by Turkish troops and bashibazouks

Kostour, August 30th / old style/, 1903

Until July 20 there were between 100 and 150 troops permanently stationed in the villages of Zagorichani, Visheni, Konomladi, Pozdivishta, Gabresh, Roulya, Dumbeni, Kossinets, Ketram and Kondorabi to hunt down the hitherto small rebel units supporting the Revolutionary Committee. The troops in Visheni were attacked by the leaders V. Chekelarov and Klyashev, together with the village leaders. There were 350 rebels under the leadership of the above-mentioned leaders and commanders. The attack was carried out from all sides, and after a 3-hour battle the troops left the village and took to flight, the darkness of the night saving them from complete extermination. The rebels captured a rifle, cartridges and some food. Five soldiers were killed, while there were no rebel losses. Forty agas from the Turkish village of Zherveni, among whom was a Turkish woman with several children, were captured during the at¬tack against the troops in Visheni. 20 of the worst were killed, while the good ones and the woman with the children were set free. The soldiers who had fled from Visheni spread panic in the town of Kostour with their stories about the red flags, the thunderous cheering, the loud battle songs, and the number of the rebels which they multiplied a hundredfold. The Turks who had hitherto been used to hunt down individuals and small detachments of up to 5-10 men and not big ones of several hundred men each, were startled and frightened. The attack against the troops in Visheni took place about 9.30 p.m., and on the following day all soldiers from the above-mentioned villages fled to the towns; this was the reason why the rebels did not find a single Turk when they en¬circled the village of Prekopana in order to defeat the troops stationed there. The rebels from Koreshtata (the western part of the Kostour region) did not manage to attack any troops either, because the latter had fled from these places before the rebels had rallied to the banner. Just a few volleys fired at a distance were enough to confuse and drive the soldiers out of the village of Konomladi.

On July 23 the rebels attacked and captured the small town of Vlaho-Klissoura in the following manner: at 5 o'clock the centre leader Ivan Popov with 80 rebels attacked a force of 150 soldiers coming along the road from the village of Sourovichovo to Klissoura. The soldiers under attack took to flight, leaving 4 cartloads of food and uniforms behind, which were captured by the rebels. They also seized three horses loaded with tents which the rebels burnt. The rebel leaders Chekelarov, Klyashev and Rodov with 300 men, after scattering the 50 soldiers who had held a defensive position at Klissoura, cap¬tured it and attacked the troops who were fighting against Popov from the rear. The soldiers, attacked on all sides and frightened by the loud cheering and the singing, beat a disorderly retreat, accompanied by the mayor. So the small town of Klissoura and the mayor's office which was guarded by some 350 soldiers were captured by the rebels. All the government papers in the mayor's office were burnt, and the mayor's own horse was taken. On July 23 the Klissoura pass (Daoula) was closed to the Turks and to postal communications until it was recaptured by the Turks on August 15 which will be described later. In seizing Klissoura the rebels suffered no casualties; on the previous day (July 22) the centre leader Nikola Andreev had lost five men in an attack on the same town. More than 10 Turks had been killed there and the rebels had captured a Mauser rifle with cartridges as well.

On July 24 Lazo P. Traikov (a leader) with 400 rebels from the Dumbeni and Smurdesh centres, attacked the Mohammedan Turkish village of Zherveni. Its location among many Bulgarian villages was inconvenient because its in¬habitants informed the Turkish authorities about the movement of rebel detachments and operations. They also joined the bazhibazouks in their plunder in the Shesteovo and Visheni affairs on February 12, 1902, and on August 3, 1902, respectively. After little resistance the village was set on fire and burnt down. Before that the Zherverii villagers had been asked to surrender peacefully their own weapons and those given them by the authorities, and to leave the village. The Turks did not surrender their weapons, but turned them against the rebels, and that was why fire was opened, and the village was burnt. Only one rebel fell in that operation. After Zherveni had been burnt, Lazo gathered all the rebels from all the centres in the Koreshtata, a total of over 800 men, and toured the villages and mountains without running into a single Turk.

On July 26 a 700-strong Turkish force left Kostour, set the village of Shesteovo on fire, and on Shesteovo peak encountered a small peasant detach¬ment of 30 men led by Nikola Kouzinchev. The two sides engaged in fighting which lasted an hour, after which the detachment retreated without any losses. The losses on the Turkish side are not known. On the following day the same troops set fire to two or three houses while passing through the village of Chernovishti. On July 28 Lazo, Vassil and Pando, together with four centre leaders (I. Popov, Mitre Pandjarov, Steryo Steryovski and Vassil Nikolov) and many village leaders, more than 800 rebels in all, attacked the purely Turkish small town of Bilishta, the centre of the Albanians in Dyavolta. The southwestern part of the Kostour region borders on villages inhabited by Moslem Albanians and called Dyavoltsi after the river Dyavol*. When the village ofSmurdesh was burnt on May 9 of this year, they distinguished themselves by the most brutal plundering and violence; that is why it was necessary to strike Bilishta so as to make them feel the strength ofthe rebels and teach them not to seek easy prey. As the rebel forces were being concentrated at the village of Smurdesh, it oc¬curred to the Albanians to reinforce Bilishta with troops and bashibazouks, and to await the attack from strong positions. The attack was carried out simultaneously on Bilishta and Kapeshtitsa (the native village of the notorious cut-throat Kasam Aga who had been killed by the Committee). The attack started at 9 o'clock, and after a 4-hour battle, the rebels withdrew without cap¬turing Bilishta. The Turks lost 10 dead (soldiers and bashibazouks), while the rebels suffered one death at Kapeshtitsa, and one wounded at Bilishta who died soon afterwards. The attack on Bilishta struck horror in the Albanians who no longer dared go on looting raids. On the same day, July 29, a Turkish force of 800 soldiers set the village of Dumbeni on fire, but when a 40-strong unit of village rebels opened fire on them, the troops set out in the direction of Lokvata, a place up in the mountains. They were met by 500 rebels, and fierce fighting broke out. After a 6-hour battle the soldiers withdrew, and beat a hasty and dis¬orderly retreat to the village of Dumbeni, while the rebels chased them for 2 hours until they disappeared from sight when night fell. The Turks lost many dead, and a bugler was captured alive by the rebels together with his bugle. A rebel was killed. This bugler was the first captive soldier in the hands of the rebels. This battle showed the Turks that they could not attack us in the moun¬tains with less than a thousand troops.

On August 4, 300 rebels, together with the Lerin unit of Georgi P. Hristov, decided to attack the tower near the village of Psoderi where there were 50 soldiers in addition to the troops stationed in Psoderi (100 men). But at dawn, when the rebels were taking the heights overlooking Psoderi, they ran into Turkish advance patrols. Fire was suddenly opened, and the rebels realized that they would have to deal with many soldiers who had just arrived at the tower'7 from Lerin. A fierce battle broke out which lasted from morning till almost nightfall. The soldiers numbered more than 1,500, while those from Psoderi and the reinforcements were up to 2,000 men. It took the Turks enormous efforts to capture a single rebel position, and in so doing, they suffered more than 100 dead and some 50 were wounded. The Turks attacked with both mountain and field artillery, while the rebels used bombs before abandoning the above-mentioned position. The position was being held by the centre leader Mitre Pandjourov with an insufficient number of rebels, mostly inexperienced ones, and after he was wounded, the position was abandoned, the rebels leaving behind 6 dead and 3 wounded. All the other positions held out heroically under a shower of bullets and frequent grenade explosions. The Turks made a last big effort to capture the other peaks, sparing no cartridges, but they did not succeed in advancing a step further. The defeat of the Turks was stunning and their losses enormous, and that is why on their way back to Lerin, the troops took their revenge on the innocent village of Armensko. The bulk of the Turkish force fell back as early as 8 o'clock, but the Turks kept firing from the tower and the bushes till the evening so as to prevent the rebels from advancing and from chasing the soldiers towards Lerin, as they had done at Dumbeni. Since the Turks' cannons and Mauser rifles could do nothing to the rebels at Psoderi, they were turned on the innocent village of Armensko.

That same day, August 4, the Turks set fire to the villages of Kossinets, Lobanitsa, Zhoupanitsa and Orman where they killed many old people and women and took girls, married women and children into captivity. While all these events were taking place in the western part, in the eastern one the rebels burnt down several Turkish farms around Vrabchinsko lake, and attacked the Circassian village of Sveti-Todori where they killed 3 Turks, while one of the rebels was wounded. For a long time the soldiers did not dare attack the rebels who moved about freely and controlled the whole region of Kostour with the exception of the towns of Kostour and Hroupishta. The rebels from the Kostour region, together with those from the Lerin area, launched an attack on the small town of Neveska in the latter region, where soldiers had been stationed permanently in big and solid barracks for many years. On August 12 the leaders V. Chekelarov, P. Klyashev, M. Rozov and M. Nikolov, together with the centre leaders I. Popov, V. Kotev, Marko Kochovski, S. Steryovski, N. Andreev and P. Kakalev and several village leaders, a total of 400 rebels, at¬tacked the Neveska garrison which numbered 205 men. The rebels encircled Neveska unnoticed under the cover of the bushes, and carried out a surprise at¬tack on the troops from three sides; some of the soldiers were camped in tents by the fortifications around the town, the rest were in the barracks. As soon as fire was opened, the Turks lost their wits, abandoned their rifles as they had been in stacked up, and fled unarmed. All these rifles fell into the hands of the rebels. After an insignificant amount of fighting outside the town, the rebels entered it, and surrounded the barracks. After several bombs were thrown into the barracks and shots fired through the windows, the Turks abandoned the building, and many of them escaped under cover of the night. Thus, the barracks, ignominiously abandoned by the troops, fell completely into the hands of the rebels. The mayor managed to escape, and the government office was also seized by the rebels who captured 7 soldiers alive and found three killed there. A total of 31 Mauser rifles, 5 Greek ones, 1 Martin rifle and 6,000 car¬tridges were taken from the killed, captured and escaped soldiers. About dawn on August 14, a large force of over 6,000 soldiers from Kostour clashed with several village detachments numbering 150 men, and fighting broke out at Kainak, near the village of Chereshnitsa. The rebel units retreated in an orderly fashion before this big force, and when I. Popov and V. Kotev arrived to help them, a fierce battle broke out in the folds of the Vich mountain, above the village of Prekopana. Thanks to this help, the retreating units escaped a total defeat. The fighting lasted till the evening. The same Turkish force was on its way to attack Vurbitsa peak north of Klissoura, where another 400 rebels had taken up positions. The rebels retreated without fighting. In this way the Turks captured Vurbitsa and Klissoura on the following day. During the battle at Kainak, the Turks burnt down Chereshnitsa and whatever houses were left in Prekopana. In that battle the rebels lost 27 dead, while the soldiers lost at least 250 dead and many wounded. On the following day, August 15, the Turks burnt the big and rich village of Zagorichani, Bobishta, Kotori, Bomboki and Kondorabi, as well as several houses in the village of Olishta. A few days later the Turks burnt also the village of Mokreni, after the rebels around N. An-dreev's house had engaged them in several clashes. There are heavy losses in the village, but definite reports are still lacking. Having realized that they could not hold out against the rebels with a 7,000-8,000-strong force, the Turks called in as many for the Kostour region. In this way the Turks, with a big force of more then 15,000 men, blocked the Kostour region and took their will with the women, while they slaughtered the old people, but did not find the thousands of rebels. The troops did not leave a single mountain or valley uncombed, and after setting almost all the remaining villages (Blatsa, Visheni, Gorno and Doino Drenoveni, Chernovishta, Pozdivishta and Vumbel) on fire, they withdrew to the towns and to the fortified heights. During the raid on the Kostour region by this big force, which lasted 10 days, the Turks inflicted very great damage on the villages and on the property of the population. They slaughtered many innocent people, mostly old men and women who could not escape. Almost all the cattle and small livestock have been taken away, everything hidden in the ground has been dug out, and most brutal acts of violence and dishonour have been committed by the soldiers and bashibazouks against the poor women and girls. The beautiful girls and young wives have been captured, and now fill the Turkish harems. Everything that the Turks have done makes the rebels become desperate fighters, and eternally implacable enemies of the Turkish authorities. The rebels from the Kostour region have lost everything: the villages have been utterly devastated, the property stolen, the crops burnt and the families robbed and scattered to wander about without food or clothes. The honour of their mothers and sisters had been trampled upon and violated by the Turks, and they seek retribution by continuing the un¬equal struggle, and by taking revenge on the Turkish brutes. The rebels' guns which disturbed the ease of the Turks and which sought freedom for the slave, and the screaming and suffering of the helpless women and children, are enough to stir human hearts in the free states and to move them to come to their rescue. The Turkish government and the commanding pashas already think that after the big search in the mountains and the burning of the villages, the rebels have scattered afar, and will lay down their arms. During the search on August 26 the soldiers ran into a 60-man detachment in the Dumbeni moun¬tain, without the rebels losing a single man, and into another one in the Vumbel mountain. During the search of the Vumbel mountain 18 rebels from the Vumbel village detachment remained trapped in the caves because they had no chance of escaping through the thick cordons of troops, and of joining the rebel units, and were killed to a man. The rebels, after a skilful retreat before the big force, did not suffer many casualties, and now that the Turks believe that they have cleared the Kostour region of rebels, the latter have returned to their bases more experienced, more thirsty for revenge, and more ready to die for the freedom of their land.

A LIST OF THE VILLAGES BURNT TO DATE AND OF PEOPLE KILLED BY THE SOLDIERS AND BAZHIBAZOUKS

1. Village of Shesteovo: 27 houses burnt out of 180.



2. Village of Chernovishta: 5 houses left out of 50



3. Village of Dumbeni: 3 houses left out of 250



4. Village of Lobanitsa: all 80 houses burnt



5. Village of Vrubnik: all 60 houses burnt

The exact number of those killed unknown.

6. Village of Prekopana: all 150 houses burnt.

Five unidentified persons were killed when the village was set on fire on July 29, while the number of those killed during the fire on August 14 is not known.

7. Village of Zhoupanitsa: all 120 houses burnt.



8. Village of Kossinets: 8 houses left out of 200.



9. Village of Orman: all 20 houses burnt.

The exact number of those killed unknown.

10. Village of Kondorabi: all 30 houses burnt.

The exact number of those killed unknown.

11. Village of Chereshnica: all 80 houses burnt.



12. Village of Bomboki: all 80 houses burnt
The exact number of those killed unknown.

13. Village of Zagorichani: all 680 houses burnt.

About 150 old people, women and children killed, but exact number unknown.

14. Village of Bobishta: all 150 houses burnt.
The exact number of those killed unknown.

15. Farmstead of Kotori: all 16 houses burnt.

16. Village of Olishta: 90 houses, 3 of them burnt.

The exact number of those killed unknown.

17. Village of Visheni: 13 houses left out of 200.



18. Village of Blatsa: 18 houses left out of 100.





19. Village of Gorno Dryanoveni: 10 houses left out of 65.



20. Village of Doino Dryanoveni: 4 houses left out of 30

Noumo Gouvelov age 55 cut to pieces

21. Village of Pozdivishta: 120 houses, 27 of them burnt.

Ristovitsa Kintna age 55 cut to pieces
Lazovitsa Shotova age 55 burnt alive

22. Village of Vumbel: all 120 houses burnt

The exact number of those killed unknown.

23. Village of Mokreni: all 200 houses burnt.

Some 300 people killed; exact data lacking.

24. Village of Armensko: burnt down; it is in the Lerin region.

These are people captured by the soldiers and bashibauzuks from almost all villages, burnt or not.



Tolovitsa Pandoska and her mother, three male children and a girl, all from the village of Zhoupanitsa, captured. Thirty married and unmarried women from the village of Zagorichani have been captured, as well as from other villages, but their exact number is unknown.

Killed in the village of Babchor on August 22:






August 30, 1903 (old style). To confirm the above we, leaders of the Kostour region, sign with our own hands: Lazar P. Traikov, Vassil Chekelarov, Pango Klyashov, Manol Rozov and Mihail Nikolov.

Note: Please find enclosed a map of the Kostour region.



Еве ти го и оригиналот:









Така... драги ми лав, моите прашания"

1) защо ръководителите на Костурски окръг по време на Илинденското въстание говорят само за БЪЛГАРСКИ села, дека ги македонските??

2) защо в легендата на приложената към сведенията карта на окръга големият брой села са означени като "чисто БЪЛГАРСКИ села"?

3) защо документът е написан на литературен БЪЛГАРСКИ език?

Айде со здрави и уживай.

Срекен Божик

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Re: Лавот, добре дошъл

Проскубаното лъвче от Югозападна България нещо се отрая.....

а беше доста словоохотливо в началото...

ДУНЯ, моля те инструктирай внимателно младата смяна, къде е попаднала, за да избегнеш психологически сривове, шокове, кардиогенни смутове, апоплексии и пр.... и без това сте по-малко от шиптарите, не бива да губите бройки по тоя неприятен начин....

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Не само се отрая, ами направо онемяса ся ... / ?!? /

Паисий Хилендарски - македонец по род и тех ги пита сега, поради какво ги е срам да не се казват болгари.
Така е : Голема срамота е да си отродник, ЮРОДИ, както ги нарича този, който и за тех написа болгарската история на старото ни царство.

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за ваша голема жал, тука сум....како прво Паисиј им се обраќа на Бугарите, а не на Македонците.....тоа како прво......
како второ, јас сите овие документи што ми ги понудувате, сум ги зел предвид во моето истражување во историјата....додека пак вие слепо и верувате на Бугарската пропаганда......
како доказ дека не е се бело и црно ќе ви издвојам многу докази, но барам да не се распливнуваме по темиве, туку да дискутираме на една тема....
Благодарам....

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Не ми отговори на въпросите

Благодарам...изтражувачо

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а демек ти ми одговори а?
Јас ти кажав, сум среќавал такви документи, и Македонската историографија има дадено бројни одговори на тоа.....а вие?
Како ќе одговорите на моите документи?
Нели Тито не создаде 1945та......
И еве продолжува........Откако високата порта не го зела предвид споменатото барање,тие се обратиле до претставниците на големите сили во Цариград. Во барањето до нив истакнале дека Романија, Србија, Грција и Бугарија "не мируваат и интригираат, а полето на нивните интриги е нашата татковина Македонија, која поради важноста на својата географска положба ги електризира срцата на речените државици, и поради тоа непрестајно се бунтуваат и претендираат на нашата татковина Македонија како законити наследници. Затоа за да се искорени тоа, треба да се искоренат тие илузии...., а тоа може да го направи само македонското население кое треба да му објасни на светот дека е посебен народ, со посебна историја, нарави и обичаи и дека нема ништо општо со околните државици. Па според тоа никој нема право да претендира на Македонија и таа им останува на Македонците"
Љ.Лапе- Одбрани текстови......IIдел. 280-282
е па наздравје Блгарчиња

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јас сите овие документи што ми ги понудувате, сум ги зел предвид во моето истражување во историјата...


....Внушителен е масивът от документи, непосредствено свързани с освободителните борби на българите в Македония и Одринско след 1878 г. Те се съхраняват в архивните фондове на Капитан Петко войвода, Вътрешната македоно-одринска революционна организация (ВМОРО), на Върховния македоно-одрински комитет (ВМОК), съдържащ над 100 000 документа, на Гоце Делчев, Гьорче Петров, Никола Зографов, Никола Малешевски, семейния фонд Димитър, Христо и Ангел Узунови, Борис Сарафов, Владислав Ковачев, Васил Чекаларов, Тодор Александров и др. ...

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Сите ли ги имаш прочитано? Щото ние имаме големи запаси с пропаганда ше знаеш. Не като вас, дето успяхте да издадете само една брошурка с докази от последните 2500 години, а от тях с който сме се захванали, сме го доказали фалшив


Јас ти кажав, сум среќавал такви документи, и Македонската историографија има дадено бројни одговори на тоа.....

Дека ги имаш срекавани такви документи, на улицата ли? Щото аз съм останал с впечатление, че ваште историци сериозно ги отбягват Ама те пустите документи ги преследват... и денем и нощем

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Айде пак, като за човек с проблеми...
Този път въпросчето е само едно - на какъв език е този така популярен документ от македонската история?




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како прво как точно Паисий споменава македонците покрай срби, българи, гърци и др. в историята си?
како второ какво имал предвид Пасий со ова: "...много обикнах МОЯТ български род..."?
како трето НИКОЙ не те праша дали: "..сите овие документи што ми ги понудувате, сум ги зел предвид во моето истражување во историјата.."
како четвърто: айде да се държиш до темата и да отговориш, важит?

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аха демек јас сум испрашуваниот а вие прашувате!
хм интересно
ова е времето на Тодор Живков а?
ццццц
не бегај од вопросите
а кој вопрос вие ми го одговоривте?
ај пребројте се колку души сте
а?

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Пак не ми отговори,,,

јас сум бегал од одговорите?
ај провери кој бега?


И не ми казвай, че нямаш време да отговориш на всички, отговорите на горните ми прашания са с по един збор.

И стига си ни го врял в носовете тоя Бистришки. Ако идентитетот ви се опира на него, жална ви майка.... щото ген щабът на Илинденското въстание го знаят всички, а тоя сульо - само ти и още двама

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Re: Пак не ми отговори,,,

еве ти писмо од еден војвода Павле Наумов до селаните на Тополчани (прилепско) (1907)

Многу арно знаете браќа, дека во Тополчани нема Срби, нема Грци, ниту пак Бугари. Ние сме Македонси. Секој што работи тоа и ќе биде....Ако барате друга држава да не заповедува тогаш добра ни е и Турција....."

и писмо од селаните до Павле Наумов

"Како што велите во писмото оти нема Грци, Бугари и Срби, овде у Македонија истина је, и као што пишавте оти Грците работат за Грција, Србите за Србија и Бугарите за Бугарија, права истина је, а и Европа знај много арно оти је така, оти сме није Маќедонци

ДА ССИП-Ф.1 Бр.9/1907г.

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Re: Пак не ми отговори,,,

еве ти за Илинденското востание

Дејли Њус за Македонското Востание

"Македомија на Македонците"а не"Велика Бугарија" е нашиот идеал- рече попот борец Тома Николов....Така гледате ние направивме извесен почеток со привремената влада на Македонија.
-Нашиот идеал е Македонија за Македонците и за него ние ќе се бориме.-јас се надевам дека Вие ќе и го кажете ова на вашата англиска јавност. Востанието е Македонско, вистинските ефикасни боречки чети се Македонски. Четите не доаѓаат од Бугарија. Тие доаѓаат од Македонскиот народ. Тие ќе продолжат да доаѓаат додека Македонскиот народ го поднесува лошото владеење на Турците

Ј.М. Мацедониан Рисинг Даили Нењс Лондон аугуст 12 , 1903 п.12

(ова на латиница требаше)

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е и?

"Всеки, който се бори за интересите на македония е добър македонец БЕЗ разлика на религия, НАРОДНОСТ..."

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Re: Пак не ми отговори,,,

"Македомија на Македонците"а не"Велика Бугарија" е нашиот идеал- рече попот борец Тома Николов....

Бе те и косоварите днес разправят, че се борят за независимо Косово, а не за велика Албания, за да не плашат хората, но това не ги прави по-малко албанци от останалите, нали?

По тоя повод, я виж ВМРО-вецът д-р Христо Татарчев какво вели:

“Разисква се дълго върху целта на организацията и се спряхме върху автономията на Македония, с предимство на българския елемент. Не можехме да възприемем гледището за “пряко съединение с България”, защото виждахме, че туй ще срещне големи мъчнотии поради противодействието на великите сили и аспирациите на съседните малки държави към Търция. Минаваше ни през ума, че една автономна Македония сетне би могла по-лесно да се съедини с България, а в краен случай, ако това не се постигне, ще може да послужи за обединително звено на една федерация на балканските народи”.



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Re: Бугараш, не си прав

лавот вече не повдига темата Бистришки.
Остави го, не видиш ли, че е доста проскубан...

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как...

я какви закани се сипят за петъка, когато ще имаме честта да го видим отново...

Аз за това отсега пиша и трупам материали на форума, че иначе не мога да му насмогна, като сме тет-а-тет

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