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I will answer your very question!
The propaganda by the Greeks is that you try to tell us what we are! In
history there has not been a term "Slavoskopians" or any form of it! You
Greeks made it up, and honastly I don't find any relations to that!
We have nothing in commmon with the antic macedonians or with Alexandar
The Grade! No connections at all. But our people have been living on the
Macedonian teritories for over a Milenium and we addopted the name of
the terotory! Is that so bad?
Just as example.. americans are not realy americans, they also moved to
the teritories of America and called themselfs Americans... Why don't
you try to argue about their history?
It is the same situation with us. We don't wannt anything from Greece
nor from any other country or people. So why don't you just leave us
alone and let's try to live in a peaceful neighbourhood realtions.
The only propaganda that makes people in the Republic of Macedonia
suffer is the Greek propaganda. You Greeks have made the lives of
macedonian people very hard and very misarable.
We are a peaceful nation, and we don't want to take anything from you.
So, you should get back, and get on with your own lives.
Just for the record, I will never identify myself with the name
Slavoskopians, or anythink similar to that. Skopje is the capital city.
It is not a name for a country. It is only a city. I nay be calld
Skopian in addition to Macedonian, but what about the other people who
do not live in Skopje? How will they be called? Could you answer me that
very question?
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с доста наивни елементи, но има определен напредък
.
Alexandar The Grade - хехе, това на български сандьо градуса ли се превежда
.
форумка-фиромка
I will answer your very question!
The propaganda by the Greeks is that you try to tell us what we are! In
history there has not been a term "Slavoskopians" or any form of it! You
Greeks made it up, and honastly I don't find any relations to that!
We have nothing in commmon with the antic macedonians or with Alexandar
The Grade! No connections at all. But our people have been living on the
Macedonian teritories for over a Milenium and we addopted the name of
the terotory! Is that so bad?
Just as example.. americans are not realy americans, they also moved to
the teritories of America and called themselfs Americans... Why don't
you try to argue about their history?
It is the same situation with us. We don't wannt anything from Greece
nor from any other country or people. So why don't you just leave us
alone and let's try to live in a peaceful neighbourhood realtions.
The only propaganda that makes people in the Republic of Macedonia
suffer is the Greek propaganda. You Greeks have made the lives of
macedonian people very hard and very misarable.
We are a peaceful nation, and we don't want to take anything from you.
So, you should get back, and get on with your own lives.
Just for the record, I will never identify myself with the name
Slavoskopians, or anythink similar to that. Skopje is the capital city.
It is not a name for a country. It is only a city. I nay be calld
Skopian in addition to Macedonian, but what about the other people who
do not live in Skopje? How will they be called? Could you answer me that
very question?
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с доста наивни елементи, но има определен напредък
.
Alexandar The Grade - хехе, това на български сандьо градуса ли се превежда
.
.Идва птрезняването-и реалния живот
Е ли Македония географско понятие?
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''Alternate meanings: Places named Macedonia Macedonia is a geographical and historical region of the Balkan peninsula in south-eastern Europe, with an area of around 67,000 square kilometres and a population of 4.65 million. The territory corresponds to the basins of (from west to east) the Aliakmon, Vardar/Axios and Strymon rivers (of which the Vardar drains by far the largest area) and the plains around Thessaloniki and Serrai.
The name "Macedonia" derives from the Ancient Greek word "makos" (the Doric form of "mekos") meaning "length" or "height": "makedos" or "makednos" is a term for a tall man. Legend has it that the ancient Macedonians were so tall that if they fell they could not stand up without help.
The region is divided between Greece, with roughly half of the area and population, split between the three provinces of Macedonia Central, Macedonia West, and Macedonia East; the Republic of Macedonia, with around 40%; and Bulgaria, with less than a tenth, in Blagoevgrad province. The Greek part is sometimes referred to as Greek Macedonia or "Aegean Macedonia," the Republic of Macedonia as Vardar Macedonia (or Vadarska Banovina) and the Bulgarian part as Pirin Macedonia.
History of Macedonia
Ancient and medieval Macedonia
In the 7th century BC the kingdom of Macedon emerged in what is now the Greek part of Macedonia and the neighbouring Bitola district in the south of today's Republic of Macedonia. Under its king Philip II of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great, Macedon extended its power in the 4th century BC over not only over the rest of the Greek states, but also in the Persian Empire, including Egypt and lands as far east as the fringes of India.
Alexander's conquests produced a lasting extension of Greek culture and thought, but his empire broke up on his death, and Macedonian independence came to an end with defeat at the hands of the rising power of Rome (197 and 168 BC), The deposition of the Macedonian dynasty was deposed, and Macedon was annexed as a Roman province in 146 BC.
With the division of the Roman Empire into west and east in 395 AD, Macedonia came under the rule of Rome's Byzantine successors. While the Byzantine state's prevailing Greek culture flourished in the south, however, northern Macedonia was settled from around 600 AD by Slavs from the north-east.
In the 13th and 14th century Byzantine control was punctuated by periods of Bulgarian and Serbian rule in the north. Conquered by the Ottoman army in the first half of the 15th century, Macedonia remained a part of the Ottoman Empire for nearly half a millennium, during which it gained a substantial Turkish minority. Thessaloniki became the home of a large Jewish population following Spain's expulsions of Jews after 1492.
Modern Macedonia
After the revival of Greek, Serbian, and Bulgarian statehood in the 19th century, Macedonia became a focus of the national ambitions of all three governments, leading to the creation in the 1890s and 1900s of rival armed groups who divided their efforts between fighting the Turks and one another. The most important of these was the Bulgarian-sponsored Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (VMRO). Diplomatic intervention by the European powers led to plans for an autonomous Macedonia under Ottoman rule.
However, burying their differences for a short time in 1912-13, Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria divided Macedonia among themselves during the First Balkan War. Bulgaria's agreed share was reduced by her allies on the grounds that they had conquered the territory while the Bulgarian army was invading neighbouring Thrace. The subsequent Second Balkan War left Bulgaria only with the Struma valley. Vardar Macedonia was incorporated into Serbia and referred to as South Serbia.
World War I and its aftermath led in the 1920s to the exchange between Greece and Turkey of most of Macedonia's Turkish minority and the Greek inhabitants of Thrace and Anatolia, as a result of which Aegean Macedonia experienced a large addition to its population and became overwhelmingly Greek in ethnic composition. Serbian-ruled Macedonia was incorporated with the rest of Serbia into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) in 1918.
Subjected to an intense process of "Serbianization" during the 1920s and 1930s, this part of Macedonia became a republic of Communist Yugoslavia (as the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) in 1946, with its capital at Skopje. After Yugoslavia's break with the Soviet Union in 1948, the Yugoslav leader Josip Broz Tito promoted the concept of a Macedonian nation as a means of severing the ties of the Slav population of Yugoslav Macedonia with (pro-Soviet) Bulgaria.
Independence and controversy
In 1991, Yugoslav Macedonia seceded from Yugoslavia, declaring its independence as the Republic of Macedonia. The issue of Macedonia became a heated political issue in Greece, where huge demonstrations took place in Athens and Thessaloniki in 1992 against the new state, under the slogan "Macedonia is Greece." The Greek government objected to the use of the name Macedonia, and also to the use of symbols such as the Star of Vergina. Greece imposed an economic blockade on the new state and also blocked European Union recognition and economic aid.
As a result of the dispute, the new state was admitted into the United Nations in 1993 under the temporary name "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (or FYROM for short) while it continued to use Republic of Macedonia as its constitutional name. Outside Greece, the country is usually simply called "Macedonia". A number of countries have recognised it by its constitutional name.
In 1995 Greece and Macedonia came to an agreement whereby Macedonia agreed to remove any implied territorial claims to the greater Macedonia region from its constitution and to drop the Star of Vergina from its flag. Discussions continue over the country's name, but without any resolution so far.
Many Greeks also object to the use of the term "ethnic Macedonians" to describe the Slav minority in northern Greece. Greece argues that this usage is inaccurate as Macedonia is in fact inhabited by a number of different peoples - Slavs, Greeks, Vlachs and Albanians, none of whom has a historically exclusive claim to the term. The term is, however, widely used outside Greece to mean the Slav inhabitants of the northern Greece.
Не само географско, но и историческо!
''Alternate meanings: Places named Macedonia Macedonia is a geographical and historical region of the Balkan peninsula in south-eastern Europe, with an area of around 67,000 square kilometres and a population of 4.65 million. The territory corresponds to the basins of (from west to east) the Aliakmon, Vardar/Axios and Strymon rivers (of which the Vardar drains by far the largest area) and the plains around Thessaloniki and Serrai.
The name "Macedonia" derives from the Ancient Greek word "makos" (the Doric form of "mekos") meaning "length" or "height": "makedos" or "makednos" is a term for a tall man. Legend has it that the ancient Macedonians were so tall that if they fell they could not stand up without help.
The region is divided between Greece, with roughly half of the area and population, split between the three provinces of Macedonia Central, Macedonia West, and Macedonia East; the Republic of Macedonia, with around 40%; and Bulgaria, with less than a tenth, in Blagoevgrad province. The Greek part is sometimes referred to as Greek Macedonia or "Aegean Macedonia," the Republic of Macedonia as Vardar Macedonia (or Vadarska Banovina) and the Bulgarian part as Pirin Macedonia.
History of Macedonia
Ancient and medieval Macedonia
In the 7th century BC the kingdom of Macedon emerged in what is now the Greek part of Macedonia and the neighbouring Bitola district in the south of today's Republic of Macedonia. Under its king Philip II of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great, Macedon extended its power in the 4th century BC over not only over the rest of the Greek states, but also in the Persian Empire, including Egypt and lands as far east as the fringes of India.
Alexander's conquests produced a lasting extension of Greek culture and thought, but his empire broke up on his death, and Macedonian independence came to an end with defeat at the hands of the rising power of Rome (197 and 168 BC), The deposition of the Macedonian dynasty was deposed, and Macedon was annexed as a Roman province in 146 BC.
With the division of the Roman Empire into west and east in 395 AD, Macedonia came under the rule of Rome's Byzantine successors. While the Byzantine state's prevailing Greek culture flourished in the south, however, northern Macedonia was settled from around 600 AD by Slavs from the north-east.
In the 13th and 14th century Byzantine control was punctuated by periods of Bulgarian and Serbian rule in the north. Conquered by the Ottoman army in the first half of the 15th century, Macedonia remained a part of the Ottoman Empire for nearly half a millennium, during which it gained a substantial Turkish minority. Thessaloniki became the home of a large Jewish population following Spain's expulsions of Jews after 1492.
Modern Macedonia
After the revival of Greek, Serbian, and Bulgarian statehood in the 19th century, Macedonia became a focus of the national ambitions of all three governments, leading to the creation in the 1890s and 1900s of rival armed groups who divided their efforts between fighting the Turks and one another. The most important of these was the Bulgarian-sponsored Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (VMRO). Diplomatic intervention by the European powers led to plans for an autonomous Macedonia under Ottoman rule.
However, burying their differences for a short time in 1912-13, Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria divided Macedonia among themselves during the First Balkan War. Bulgaria's agreed share was reduced by her allies on the grounds that they had conquered the territory while the Bulgarian army was invading neighbouring Thrace. The subsequent Second Balkan War left Bulgaria only with the Struma valley. Vardar Macedonia was incorporated into Serbia and referred to as South Serbia.
World War I and its aftermath led in the 1920s to the exchange between Greece and Turkey of most of Macedonia's Turkish minority and the Greek inhabitants of Thrace and Anatolia, as a result of which Aegean Macedonia experienced a large addition to its population and became overwhelmingly Greek in ethnic composition. Serbian-ruled Macedonia was incorporated with the rest of Serbia into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) in 1918.
Subjected to an intense process of "Serbianization" during the 1920s and 1930s, this part of Macedonia became a republic of Communist Yugoslavia (as the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) in 1946, with its capital at Skopje. After Yugoslavia's break with the Soviet Union in 1948, the Yugoslav leader Josip Broz Tito promoted the concept of a Macedonian nation as a means of severing the ties of the Slav population of Yugoslav Macedonia with (pro-Soviet) Bulgaria.
Independence and controversy
In 1991, Yugoslav Macedonia seceded from Yugoslavia, declaring its independence as the Republic of Macedonia. The issue of Macedonia became a heated political issue in Greece, where huge demonstrations took place in Athens and Thessaloniki in 1992 against the new state, under the slogan "Macedonia is Greece." The Greek government objected to the use of the name Macedonia, and also to the use of symbols such as the Star of Vergina. Greece imposed an economic blockade on the new state and also blocked European Union recognition and economic aid.
As a result of the dispute, the new state was admitted into the United Nations in 1993 under the temporary name "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (or FYROM for short) while it continued to use Republic of Macedonia as its constitutional name. Outside Greece, the country is usually simply called "Macedonia". A number of countries have recognised it by its constitutional name.
In 1995 Greece and Macedonia came to an agreement whereby Macedonia agreed to remove any implied territorial claims to the greater Macedonia region from its constitution and to drop the Star of Vergina from its flag. Discussions continue over the country's name, but without any resolution so far.
Many Greeks also object to the use of the term "ethnic Macedonians" to describe the Slav minority in northern Greece. Greece argues that this usage is inaccurate as Macedonia is in fact inhabited by a number of different peoples - Slavs, Greeks, Vlachs and Albanians, none of whom has a historically exclusive claim to the term. The term is, however, widely used outside Greece to mean the Slav inhabitants of the northern Greece.
Не само географско, но и историческо!
друга енциклопедия
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Macedonia, region, Europe, Balkans Physical Geography
Early History through Ottoman Rule
Like neighboring Thrace and Epirus, Macedonia has been, since the early Middle Ages, a meeting place of nations, a fact that has contributed in large measure to its complex and turbulent history. Macedonians first appear historically about 700 B.C. By about 400 B.C., they had adopted the Greek language and had begun to build a kingdom (Macedon) that was greatly enlarged by the conquests of Philip II (359–336 B.C.) and Alexander the Great (336–323 B.C.). In the 2d cent. B.C., Macedonia became a Roman province.
With the division (A.D. 395) of the Roman Empire, Macedonia came under Byzantine rule. Devastated by the Goths and Huns, it was settled (6th cent.) by the Slavs, who quickly made most of Macedonia a Slavic land. However, it continued under intermittent Byzantine domination until the 9th cent., when most of Macedonia was wrested from the Byzantine Empire by Bulgaria. Emperor Basil II recovered it (1014–18) for Byzantium, but after the temporary breakup (1204) of the Byzantine Empire during the Fourth Crusade, Macedonia was bitterly contested among the Latin Empire of Constantinople, the Bulgars under Ivan II, the despots of Epirus, and the emperors of Nicaea. It again became part of the Byzantine Empire, which was restored in 1261, but in the 14th cent. Stephen Dusan of Serbia conquered all Macedonia except for present-day ThessalonIki.
The fall of the Serbian empire in the late 14th cent. brought Macedonia under the rule of the Ottoman Turks, which lasted for five centuries. In the 19th cent. the national revival in the Balkans began; national and religious antagonism flared, and conflict was heightened by the Ottoman policy of playing one group against the other. Meanwhile the Ottoman Empire lost control over the major sections of Greece, Serbia, and Bulgaria, each of which claimed Macedonia on historical or ethnical grounds. In the Treaty of San Stefano (1878), which terminated the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–78, Bulgaria was awarded the lion's share of Macedonia. However, the settlement was nullified by the European powers in the same year (see Berlin, Congress of), and Macedonia was left under direct Ottoman control.
Modern History
A secret terrorist organization working for Macedonian independence sprang up in the late 19th cent. and soon wielded great power. The komitadjis, as the terrorist bands were called, were generally supported by Bulgaria, which gained a major share of Macedonia in the first of the Balkan Wars (1912–13). Greece and Serbia turned against Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War, and the Treaty of Bucharest (1913) left Bulgaria only a small share of Macedonia, the rest of which was divided roughly along the present lines. Thousands of Macedonians fled to Bulgaria.
In World War I the Salonica (present-day ThessalonIki) campaigns took place in Macedonia. After the war Macedonia became a hotbed of agitation and terrorism, directed largely from Bulgaria. The population exchange among Greece, Turkey, and Bulgaria after 1923 resulted in the replacement by Greek refugees from Asia Minor of most of the Slavic and Turkish elements in Greek Macedonia. Charging that the Greek minority in Bulgarian Macedonia was being mistreated, Greece in 1925 invaded Bulgaria. The League of Nations, however, forced a cession of hostilities and awarded (1926) a decision favorable to Bulgaria.
Bulgarian relations with Yugoslavia (before 1929 the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes) remained strained over the Macedonian question. Frontier incidents were frequent, as were Yugoslav charges against Bulgaria for fostering the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO), a nationalist group that used violence, in Yugoslavia. Macedonian agitation against Serbian rule culminated (1934) in the assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia by a Macedonian nationalist at Marseilles.
In World War II all Macedonia was occupied (1941–44) by Bulgaria, which sided with the Axis against Yugoslavia and Greece. The Bulgarian armistice treaty of 1944 restored the prewar boundaries, which were confirmed in the peace treaty of 1947. The Yugoslav constitution of 1946 made Yugoslav Macedonia an autonomous unit in a federal state, and the Macedonian people were recognized as a separate nationality.
Tension over Macedonia continued in the early postwar years. During the Greek civil war there was much conflict between Greece and Yugoslavia over Macedonia, and the breach between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria after 1948 helped to make the Macedonian question explosive. However, with the settlement of the civil war and with the easing of Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations after 1962, tension over Macedonia was reduced. In 1990, Yugoslav Macedonia elected its first non-Communist government and the following year the Republic of Macedonia was born.
Macedonia, region, Europe, Balkans Physical Geography
Early History through Ottoman Rule
Like neighboring Thrace and Epirus, Macedonia has been, since the early Middle Ages, a meeting place of nations, a fact that has contributed in large measure to its complex and turbulent history. Macedonians first appear historically about 700 B.C. By about 400 B.C., they had adopted the Greek language and had begun to build a kingdom (Macedon) that was greatly enlarged by the conquests of Philip II (359–336 B.C.) and Alexander the Great (336–323 B.C.). In the 2d cent. B.C., Macedonia became a Roman province.
With the division (A.D. 395) of the Roman Empire, Macedonia came under Byzantine rule. Devastated by the Goths and Huns, it was settled (6th cent.) by the Slavs, who quickly made most of Macedonia a Slavic land. However, it continued under intermittent Byzantine domination until the 9th cent., when most of Macedonia was wrested from the Byzantine Empire by Bulgaria. Emperor Basil II recovered it (1014–18) for Byzantium, but after the temporary breakup (1204) of the Byzantine Empire during the Fourth Crusade, Macedonia was bitterly contested among the Latin Empire of Constantinople, the Bulgars under Ivan II, the despots of Epirus, and the emperors of Nicaea. It again became part of the Byzantine Empire, which was restored in 1261, but in the 14th cent. Stephen Dusan of Serbia conquered all Macedonia except for present-day ThessalonIki.
The fall of the Serbian empire in the late 14th cent. brought Macedonia under the rule of the Ottoman Turks, which lasted for five centuries. In the 19th cent. the national revival in the Balkans began; national and religious antagonism flared, and conflict was heightened by the Ottoman policy of playing one group against the other. Meanwhile the Ottoman Empire lost control over the major sections of Greece, Serbia, and Bulgaria, each of which claimed Macedonia on historical or ethnical grounds. In the Treaty of San Stefano (1878), which terminated the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–78, Bulgaria was awarded the lion's share of Macedonia. However, the settlement was nullified by the European powers in the same year (see Berlin, Congress of), and Macedonia was left under direct Ottoman control.
Modern History
A secret terrorist organization working for Macedonian independence sprang up in the late 19th cent. and soon wielded great power. The komitadjis, as the terrorist bands were called, were generally supported by Bulgaria, which gained a major share of Macedonia in the first of the Balkan Wars (1912–13). Greece and Serbia turned against Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War, and the Treaty of Bucharest (1913) left Bulgaria only a small share of Macedonia, the rest of which was divided roughly along the present lines. Thousands of Macedonians fled to Bulgaria.
In World War I the Salonica (present-day ThessalonIki) campaigns took place in Macedonia. After the war Macedonia became a hotbed of agitation and terrorism, directed largely from Bulgaria. The population exchange among Greece, Turkey, and Bulgaria after 1923 resulted in the replacement by Greek refugees from Asia Minor of most of the Slavic and Turkish elements in Greek Macedonia. Charging that the Greek minority in Bulgarian Macedonia was being mistreated, Greece in 1925 invaded Bulgaria. The League of Nations, however, forced a cession of hostilities and awarded (1926) a decision favorable to Bulgaria.
Bulgarian relations with Yugoslavia (before 1929 the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes) remained strained over the Macedonian question. Frontier incidents were frequent, as were Yugoslav charges against Bulgaria for fostering the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO), a nationalist group that used violence, in Yugoslavia. Macedonian agitation against Serbian rule culminated (1934) in the assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia by a Macedonian nationalist at Marseilles.
In World War II all Macedonia was occupied (1941–44) by Bulgaria, which sided with the Axis against Yugoslavia and Greece. The Bulgarian armistice treaty of 1944 restored the prewar boundaries, which were confirmed in the peace treaty of 1947. The Yugoslav constitution of 1946 made Yugoslav Macedonia an autonomous unit in a federal state, and the Macedonian people were recognized as a separate nationality.
Tension over Macedonia continued in the early postwar years. During the Greek civil war there was much conflict between Greece and Yugoslavia over Macedonia, and the breach between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria after 1948 helped to make the Macedonian question explosive. However, with the settlement of the civil war and with the easing of Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations after 1962, tension over Macedonia was reduced. In 1990, Yugoslav Macedonia elected its first non-Communist government and the following year the Republic of Macedonia was born.
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The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.
Macedonia, country, Europe
(msЃLЃLdЃLn), Macedonian Makedonija, officially Republic of Macedonia, republic (2002 pop. 2,022,547), 9,930 sq mi (25,720 sq km), SE Europe. It is bordered by Serbia and Montenegro on the north, Albania on the west, Greece on the south, and Bulgaria on the east. The capital and largest city is Skopje. The other main cities are Tetovo, Bitola (Bitolj), and Prilep. 1
Land and People
A predominately mountainous and landlocked country with deep river valleys, Macedonia is drained by the Vadar River, which runs through the center of the country, and its tributaries, including the Bregalnica, the Crna Reka, and the Treska rivers. Almost 40% of the country is forested, with a concentration of wooded areas in its western section. The climate is generally cold and snowy in the winter and hot and dry in the summer. Many earthquakes have been recorded in Macedonia. 2
Ethnic Macedonians constitute nearly two thirds of the population. The largest minority is Albanian, representing one fourth of the population and living largely in W Macedonia. There are smaller groups of Serbs, Turks, Greeks, Bulgarians, and other groups. About 65% of the people belong to the Eastern Orthodox Church, while 30% are Muslims and about 5% are non-Orthodox Christians. The predominant language is Macedonian, which is related to Bulgarian; Albanian is widely spoken by that minority. 3
Economy and Government
The poorest of the former Yugoslavian republics, Macedonia has a mostly agricultural economy. Grains, tobacco, and cotton are grown, and sheep and goats are raised. Iron, copper, and lead are mined. Manufacturing includes chemicals, steel, machinery, and textiles. 4
The emerging democracy is governed under the constitution of 1991, as amended in 2001. It has a 120-seat unicameral legislature, the Sobranie, whose members are elected for four-year terms by both single-seat constituencies and proportional representation. The executive consists of an elected president, aided by a council of ministers and a prime minister. Administratively, the country is divided into 123 municipalities. 5
History
For Macedonian history prior to independence, see Macedon, Macedonia, region, and Yugoslavia. 6
After the elections of 1990 that put in place Yugoslav MacedoniaЃfs first non-Communist government, the Yugoslavian federation began to disintegrate. Macedonia declared its independence in Sept., 1991. However, the new nationЃfs sovereignty was not immediately recognized by the international community, largely due to Greek protests over the name Macedonia. Greece, fearing future territorial claims, wanted to further the distinction between Macedonia and Greek Macedonia. There were also tensions with Bulgaria, which had historically regarded the area as Bulgarian. 7
In 1993, Macedonia was admitted to the United Nations under the provisional name of ЃgThe Former Yugoslav Republic of MacedoniaЃh (FYROM). The United States recognized the new nation in 1994. Greece, however, imposed an economic blockade on the landlocked country, which already was suffering from international sanctions imposed on its biggest trading partner, Serb-dominated Yugoslavia. Greece lifted the sanctions in 1995, after Macedonia had agreed to certain conditions, including a modification of its flag and a renunciation of any territorial claims against Greece. By the end of the decade, relations with Greece and Bulgaria had improved significantly, and in 2001 Yugoslavia (now Serbia and Montenegro) and Macedonia signed an agreement demarcating their border. 8
In 1994, Kiro Gligorov was reelected president in an election boycotted by the nationalist opposition. In Oct., 1995, he was gravely injured in an assassination attempt. In June, 1996, the parliament suspended the constitution and repudiated opposition calls for a referendum on holding new elections. Following elections held in 1998, a center-right coalition government was formed that included members of the Albanian minority. In the presidential election in late 1999, the center-right candidate, Boris Trajkovski, won, but the result was tainted by fraud in some areas and was denounced by his opponent. The election was partially rerun in December, and vote-rigging again occurred, but it appeared irrelevant to the outcome, as it occurred in areas strongly supportive of Trajkovski. 9
Macedonia has been shaken by tensions between ethnic Macedonians and the Albanian minority, which were aggravated by the influx of Kosovar Albanian refugees in 1999 (see Kosovo). Isolated incidents of violence in 1999 and 2000 became sustained battling between Macedonian forces and Albanian rebels in 2001. Although the fighting was limited, it threatened to polarize further the nationЃfs two main ethnic groups. 10
An accord ending the fighting was brokered by the European Union and the United States and signed in Aug., 2001. It called for NATO troops to disarm the Albanian rebels and for the parliament to establish Albanian as a semiofficial language and guarantee the political, cultural, and religious rights of ethnic Albanians. The rebels were disarmed, the constitution subsequently amended (although some Macedonian Slav politicians opposed the changes), and an amnesty enacted for ethnic Albanian guerrillas. 11
Elections in Sept., 2002, resulted in a near majority in parliament for the Slav-dominated center-left Together for Macedonia coalition and a sizable vote for the Democrat Union for Integration, an Albanian party dominated by the disarmed rebels. A coalition goverment including both groups was formed, and Social Democrat Branco Crvenkovski became prime minister. In Mar., 2003, European Union forces were deployed as peacekeepers in Macedonia, replacing the NATO force.
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The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.
Macedonia, country, Europe
(msЃLЃLdЃLn), Macedonian Makedonija, officially Republic of Macedonia, republic (2002 pop. 2,022,547), 9,930 sq mi (25,720 sq km), SE Europe. It is bordered by Serbia and Montenegro on the north, Albania on the west, Greece on the south, and Bulgaria on the east. The capital and largest city is Skopje. The other main cities are Tetovo, Bitola (Bitolj), and Prilep. 1
Land and People
A predominately mountainous and landlocked country with deep river valleys, Macedonia is drained by the Vadar River, which runs through the center of the country, and its tributaries, including the Bregalnica, the Crna Reka, and the Treska rivers. Almost 40% of the country is forested, with a concentration of wooded areas in its western section. The climate is generally cold and snowy in the winter and hot and dry in the summer. Many earthquakes have been recorded in Macedonia. 2
Ethnic Macedonians constitute nearly two thirds of the population. The largest minority is Albanian, representing one fourth of the population and living largely in W Macedonia. There are smaller groups of Serbs, Turks, Greeks, Bulgarians, and other groups. About 65% of the people belong to the Eastern Orthodox Church, while 30% are Muslims and about 5% are non-Orthodox Christians. The predominant language is Macedonian, which is related to Bulgarian; Albanian is widely spoken by that minority. 3
Economy and Government
The poorest of the former Yugoslavian republics, Macedonia has a mostly agricultural economy. Grains, tobacco, and cotton are grown, and sheep and goats are raised. Iron, copper, and lead are mined. Manufacturing includes chemicals, steel, machinery, and textiles. 4
The emerging democracy is governed under the constitution of 1991, as amended in 2001. It has a 120-seat unicameral legislature, the Sobranie, whose members are elected for four-year terms by both single-seat constituencies and proportional representation. The executive consists of an elected president, aided by a council of ministers and a prime minister. Administratively, the country is divided into 123 municipalities. 5
History
For Macedonian history prior to independence, see Macedon, Macedonia, region, and Yugoslavia. 6
After the elections of 1990 that put in place Yugoslav MacedoniaЃfs first non-Communist government, the Yugoslavian federation began to disintegrate. Macedonia declared its independence in Sept., 1991. However, the new nationЃfs sovereignty was not immediately recognized by the international community, largely due to Greek protests over the name Macedonia. Greece, fearing future territorial claims, wanted to further the distinction between Macedonia and Greek Macedonia. There were also tensions with Bulgaria, which had historically regarded the area as Bulgarian. 7
In 1993, Macedonia was admitted to the United Nations under the provisional name of ЃgThe Former Yugoslav Republic of MacedoniaЃh (FYROM). The United States recognized the new nation in 1994. Greece, however, imposed an economic blockade on the landlocked country, which already was suffering from international sanctions imposed on its biggest trading partner, Serb-dominated Yugoslavia. Greece lifted the sanctions in 1995, after Macedonia had agreed to certain conditions, including a modification of its flag and a renunciation of any territorial claims against Greece. By the end of the decade, relations with Greece and Bulgaria had improved significantly, and in 2001 Yugoslavia (now Serbia and Montenegro) and Macedonia signed an agreement demarcating their border. 8
In 1994, Kiro Gligorov was reelected president in an election boycotted by the nationalist opposition. In Oct., 1995, he was gravely injured in an assassination attempt. In June, 1996, the parliament suspended the constitution and repudiated opposition calls for a referendum on holding new elections. Following elections held in 1998, a center-right coalition government was formed that included members of the Albanian minority. In the presidential election in late 1999, the center-right candidate, Boris Trajkovski, won, but the result was tainted by fraud in some areas and was denounced by his opponent. The election was partially rerun in December, and vote-rigging again occurred, but it appeared irrelevant to the outcome, as it occurred in areas strongly supportive of Trajkovski. 9
Macedonia has been shaken by tensions between ethnic Macedonians and the Albanian minority, which were aggravated by the influx of Kosovar Albanian refugees in 1999 (see Kosovo). Isolated incidents of violence in 1999 and 2000 became sustained battling between Macedonian forces and Albanian rebels in 2001. Although the fighting was limited, it threatened to polarize further the nationЃfs two main ethnic groups. 10
An accord ending the fighting was brokered by the European Union and the United States and signed in Aug., 2001. It called for NATO troops to disarm the Albanian rebels and for the parliament to establish Albanian as a semiofficial language and guarantee the political, cultural, and religious rights of ethnic Albanians. The rebels were disarmed, the constitution subsequently amended (although some Macedonian Slav politicians opposed the changes), and an amnesty enacted for ethnic Albanian guerrillas. 11
Elections in Sept., 2002, resulted in a near majority in parliament for the Slav-dominated center-left Together for Macedonia coalition and a sizable vote for the Democrat Union for Integration, an Albanian party dominated by the disarmed rebels. A coalition goverment including both groups was formed, and Social Democrat Branco Crvenkovski became prime minister. In Mar., 2003, European Union forces were deployed as peacekeepers in Macedonia, replacing the NATO force.
официално Република Македония
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officially Republic of Macedonia
Country, southern Balkans region, southeastern Europe.
Area: 9,928 sq mi (25,713 sq km). Population (2003 est.): 2,056,000. Capital: Skopje. Two-thirds of the population are Slavic Macedonians, and about one-fifth are ethnic Albanians. Languages: Macedonian, Albanian. Religions: Serbian Orthodoxy, Islam. Currency: denar. Located on a high plateau studded with mountains, Macedonia has few mineral resources and is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Agriculture is central to its economy, the leading products including tobacco, rice, fruit, vegetables, and wine; sheep herding and dairy farming are also important. Macedonia is a republic with one legislative house; its head of state is the president, and the head of government is the prime minister. The Macedonian region has been inhabited since before 7000 BC. Under Roman rule, part of the region was incorporated into the province of Moesia in AD 29. It was settled by Slavic tribes by the mid-6th century AD and was Christianized during the 9th century. Seized by the Bulgarians in 1185, it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire from 1371 to 1912. The north and centre of the region were annexed by Serbia in 1913 and became part of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) in 1918. When Yugoslavia was partitioned by the Axis Powers in 1941, Yugoslav Macedonia was occupied principally by Bulgaria. Macedonia once again became a republic of Yugoslavia in 1946. After Croatia and Slovenia seceded from Yugoslavia, fear of Serbian dominance prompted Macedonia to declare its independence in 1991. In deference to Greece, which has an area traditionally known as Macedonia, the country adopted as its formal title The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and normalized relations with Greece in 1995. Ethnic strife has periodically endangered national stability—e.g., in 2001, when pro-Albanian rebel forces in the north, near the Kosovo border, led guerrilla attacks on government forces.
officially Republic of Macedonia
Country, southern Balkans region, southeastern Europe.
Area: 9,928 sq mi (25,713 sq km). Population (2003 est.): 2,056,000. Capital: Skopje. Two-thirds of the population are Slavic Macedonians, and about one-fifth are ethnic Albanians. Languages: Macedonian, Albanian. Religions: Serbian Orthodoxy, Islam. Currency: denar. Located on a high plateau studded with mountains, Macedonia has few mineral resources and is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Agriculture is central to its economy, the leading products including tobacco, rice, fruit, vegetables, and wine; sheep herding and dairy farming are also important. Macedonia is a republic with one legislative house; its head of state is the president, and the head of government is the prime minister. The Macedonian region has been inhabited since before 7000 BC. Under Roman rule, part of the region was incorporated into the province of Moesia in AD 29. It was settled by Slavic tribes by the mid-6th century AD and was Christianized during the 9th century. Seized by the Bulgarians in 1185, it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire from 1371 to 1912. The north and centre of the region were annexed by Serbia in 1913 and became part of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) in 1918. When Yugoslavia was partitioned by the Axis Powers in 1941, Yugoslav Macedonia was occupied principally by Bulgaria. Macedonia once again became a republic of Yugoslavia in 1946. After Croatia and Slovenia seceded from Yugoslavia, fear of Serbian dominance prompted Macedonia to declare its independence in 1991. In deference to Greece, which has an area traditionally known as Macedonia, the country adopted as its formal title The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and normalized relations with Greece in 1995. Ethnic strife has periodically endangered national stability—e.g., in 2001, when pro-Albanian rebel forces in the north, near the Kosovo border, led guerrilla attacks on government forces.
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Grolier's Academic American Encyclopedia (c) 1992
Macedonia, Republic of
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TITLE(s): Macedonia, Republic of
The Republic of Macedonia, formerly part of Yugoslavia, proclaimed its independence in 1991.
It has an area of 25,713 sq km (9,928 sq mi) and a population of 2,033,964 (1991). Bounded on the north by Serbia, on the east by Bulgaria, on the south by Greece, and on the west by Albania, the republic forms part of the historic region of Macedonia, the rest of which is in Greece and Bulgaria. Its capital is Skopje.
LAND, PEOPLE, AND ECONOMY
Sometimes called Vardar Macedonia, after the Vardar (Axios) River, which flows southeast through its territory into Greece, the Republic of Macedonia is a landlocked, mountainous country with a continental climate. In 1991, 64.6% of the population were Macedonian Slavs, a people closely related to the Bulgarians; 21% were ethnic Albanians, 4.8% were ethnic Turks, 2.7% were Gypsies, and 2.1% were Serbs. The Macedonian Slavs belong by tradition to the Orthodox church; the Turks and most of the Albanians are Muslims. The economy is predominantly agricultural. Major cities, in addition to Skopje, are Bitola, Prilep, Kumanovo, and Titov Veles.
HISTORY AND GOVERNMENT
Before being conquered by King Antigonus II of Macedonia in the 3d century BC, the territory of the present Republic of Macedonia was occupied by Paeonia, an Illyrian-Thracian kingdom centered around Bylazora (Titov Veles) and nearby Stobi. Under the Romans, Stobi became the chief city of Vardar Macedonia, which in the late Roman period was called Macedonia Salutaris. Settled by Slavic tribes in the 6th century, the region was part of Bulgaria for most of the medieval period, and belonged to the Ottoman Empire from the 14th century until 1913, when it was annexed by Serbia. Between World War I and World War II it was part of the Yugoslav province of Vardarska. In 1945, it became one of the constituent republics of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
In the post-World War II period, the Yugoslav Communist regime, anxious to discourage any pro-Bulgarian feeling among the population, promoted the development of a separate Macedonian identity. A Macedonian dialect clearly distinct from Bulgarian was adopted as the official language of the republic, and a separate Macedonian Orthodox church was established in 1967. This policy antagonized not only Bulgaria, but also Greece, which controlled the southern part of historic Macedonia, and feared claims to its territory by Macedonian nationalists. It also caused tensions with the ethnic Albanians who inhabit the western part of the republic. Despite attempts by the government to develop Macedonia's economy, it remained one of the poorest areas of Yugoslavia.
The Macedonia Communist party relinquished its power monopoly in 1969, and in 1990 a coalition of Macedonian nationalists and reform Communists took office. In 1991 Macedonia, following the example of Slovenia and Croatia, seceded from Yugoslavia. However, because of Greek opposition to its use of the name Macedonia, the country's independence was not recognized by most of the international community.
Bibliography:
Palmer, S. E., and King, R., Yugoslav Communism and the Macedonian Question (1971);
Perry, D., The Politics of Terror: Macedonian Revolutionary Movements, 1893-1903 (1988);
Privichevich, S., Macedonia: Its People and History (1982).
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Grolier's Academic American Encyclopedia (c) 1992
Macedonia, Republic of
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TITLE(s): Macedonia, Republic of
The Republic of Macedonia, formerly part of Yugoslavia, proclaimed its independence in 1991.
It has an area of 25,713 sq km (9,928 sq mi) and a population of 2,033,964 (1991). Bounded on the north by Serbia, on the east by Bulgaria, on the south by Greece, and on the west by Albania, the republic forms part of the historic region of Macedonia, the rest of which is in Greece and Bulgaria. Its capital is Skopje.
LAND, PEOPLE, AND ECONOMY
Sometimes called Vardar Macedonia, after the Vardar (Axios) River, which flows southeast through its territory into Greece, the Republic of Macedonia is a landlocked, mountainous country with a continental climate. In 1991, 64.6% of the population were Macedonian Slavs, a people closely related to the Bulgarians; 21% were ethnic Albanians, 4.8% were ethnic Turks, 2.7% were Gypsies, and 2.1% were Serbs. The Macedonian Slavs belong by tradition to the Orthodox church; the Turks and most of the Albanians are Muslims. The economy is predominantly agricultural. Major cities, in addition to Skopje, are Bitola, Prilep, Kumanovo, and Titov Veles.
HISTORY AND GOVERNMENT
Before being conquered by King Antigonus II of Macedonia in the 3d century BC, the territory of the present Republic of Macedonia was occupied by Paeonia, an Illyrian-Thracian kingdom centered around Bylazora (Titov Veles) and nearby Stobi. Under the Romans, Stobi became the chief city of Vardar Macedonia, which in the late Roman period was called Macedonia Salutaris. Settled by Slavic tribes in the 6th century, the region was part of Bulgaria for most of the medieval period, and belonged to the Ottoman Empire from the 14th century until 1913, when it was annexed by Serbia. Between World War I and World War II it was part of the Yugoslav province of Vardarska. In 1945, it became one of the constituent republics of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
In the post-World War II period, the Yugoslav Communist regime, anxious to discourage any pro-Bulgarian feeling among the population, promoted the development of a separate Macedonian identity. A Macedonian dialect clearly distinct from Bulgarian was adopted as the official language of the republic, and a separate Macedonian Orthodox church was established in 1967. This policy antagonized not only Bulgaria, but also Greece, which controlled the southern part of historic Macedonia, and feared claims to its territory by Macedonian nationalists. It also caused tensions with the ethnic Albanians who inhabit the western part of the republic. Despite attempts by the government to develop Macedonia's economy, it remained one of the poorest areas of Yugoslavia.
The Macedonia Communist party relinquished its power monopoly in 1969, and in 1990 a coalition of Macedonian nationalists and reform Communists took office. In 1991 Macedonia, following the example of Slovenia and Croatia, seceded from Yugoslavia. However, because of Greek opposition to its use of the name Macedonia, the country's independence was not recognized by most of the international community.
Bibliography:
Palmer, S. E., and King, R., Yugoslav Communism and the Macedonian Question (1971);
Perry, D., The Politics of Terror: Macedonian Revolutionary Movements, 1893-1903 (1988);
Privichevich, S., Macedonia: Its People and History (1982).
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ми да защитават
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Modern History
A secret terrorist organization working for Macedonian independence sprang up in the late 19th cent. and soon wielded great power. The komitadjis, as the terrorist bands were called, were generally supported by Bulgaria, which gained a major share of Macedonia in the first of the Balkan Wars (1912-13). Greece and Serbia turned against Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War, and the Treaty of Bucharest (1913) left Bulgaria only a small share of Macedonia, the rest of which was divided roughly along the present lines. Thousands of Macedonians fled to Bulgaria.
Защо хиляди са избягали в България, като немаме нищо заедничко?
In World War II all Macedonia was occupied (1941-44) by Bulgaria, which sided with the Axis against Yugoslavia and Greece. The Bulgarian armistice treaty of 1944 restored the prewar boundaries, which were confirmed in the peace treaty of 1947. The Yugoslav constitution of 1946 made Yugoslav Macedonia an autonomous unit in a federal state, and the Macedonian people were recognized as a separate nationality.
Как ти изглежда последното изречение?
However, with the settlement of the civil war and with the easing of Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations after 1962, tension over Macedonia was reduced. In 1990, Yugoslav Macedonia elected its first non-Communist government and the following year the Republic of Macedonia was born.
Беше родена, не възстановена.
Modern History
A secret terrorist organization working for Macedonian independence sprang up in the late 19th cent. and soon wielded great power. The komitadjis, as the terrorist bands were called, were generally supported by Bulgaria, which gained a major share of Macedonia in the first of the Balkan Wars (1912-13). Greece and Serbia turned against Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War, and the Treaty of Bucharest (1913) left Bulgaria only a small share of Macedonia, the rest of which was divided roughly along the present lines. Thousands of Macedonians fled to Bulgaria.
Защо хиляди са избягали в България, като немаме нищо заедничко?
In World War II all Macedonia was occupied (1941-44) by Bulgaria, which sided with the Axis against Yugoslavia and Greece. The Bulgarian armistice treaty of 1944 restored the prewar boundaries, which were confirmed in the peace treaty of 1947. The Yugoslav constitution of 1946 made Yugoslav Macedonia an autonomous unit in a federal state, and the Macedonian people were recognized as a separate nationality.
Как ти изглежда последното изречение?
However, with the settlement of the civil war and with the easing of Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations after 1962, tension over Macedonia was reduced. In 1990, Yugoslav Macedonia elected its first non-Communist government and the following year the Republic of Macedonia was born.
Беше родена, не възстановена.
Аз знам
обаче нали ги знаеш..комунистичка пропаганда..бугари шовинисти..т.н.
тия дни по немско радио преди интервю с македонския посланик в Германия страната е представена като
Страна споменавана още в Библията.Страна с хилядолетна история.Страната в която е създадена първата славянска азбука..
тия дни по немско радио преди интервю с македонския посланик в Германия страната е представена като
Страна споменавана още в Библията.Страна с хилядолетна история.Страната в която е създадена първата славянска азбука..
Re: Е ли Македония географско понятие?
определено да, поне до преди десетина години. сега имаме и държава македония с едни човечета в нея които експлоатират малко неправилно въпросното име и внасят излишно объркване.
но с какво име ще се идентифицират си е техен избор и техен проблем.
имайки горното предизвикано признание остава да припомним кога географската (и историческа) област македония в сегашните й граници се е наричала с това си име през средновековието и дали е имало наистина такива лица които са възприели регионалното като народностно име във времето преди повече от сто години и ще стигнем до същината на въпроса.
всичко ще си признаят македончетата, и то без бой.
но с какво име ще се идентифицират си е техен избор и техен проблем.
имайки горното предизвикано признание остава да припомним кога географската (и историческа) област македония в сегашните й граници се е наричала с това си име през средновековието и дали е имало наистина такива лица които са възприели регионалното като народностно име във времето преди повече от сто години и ще стигнем до същината на въпроса.
всичко ще си признаят македончетата, и то без бой
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#12
въпрос на подразбиране
Ако под страна се разбира земя, територия, то си е вярно. Но ние обикновено под страна разбираме държава. Вярното щеше да бъде на територията на нашата държава (ясно е, че е едно време, не днес). Та преводачите да му мислят
Както ние говориме за Спартак, Орфей и др.
Да се гордее човек, че се е родил на земя, за която е писано и преди 2000 години си е нормално - древна земя, богата, раждала големи човеци..
Но преиначено звучи смешно.
Както ние говориме за Спартак, Орфей и др.
Да се гордее човек, че се е родил на земя, за която е писано и преди 2000 години си е нормално - древна земя, богата, раждала големи човеци..
Но преиначено звучи смешно.
Браво!
Ми точно това е простичкото обяснение, защо те се наричат македонци - прихванали са едно географско понятие за национално. Симпъл ас дат!
Само трябва, разбира се, да се уточни, че тази земя не се е казвала Македония "for over a Milenium" та чак до сега. По-скоро "for over a Milenium" не е била Македония.
Само трябва, разбира се, да се уточни, че тази земя не се е казвала Македония "for over a Milenium" та чак до сега. По-скоро "for over a Milenium" не е била Македония.
е тъй де
Името Македония е и държавно понатие. Но и географско и историческо. И ако ги омешаш - например що е македонец все е припадник на нацията - ама и изключоци. Та да не се карат хората излишно, всеки трябва да доуточнява какво влага в това име. Те, и аз съм македонец, пък не го мога като трябва македонскиот язик
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#18
точно така
Омешване на време и пространство може да доведе до парадоксални резултати.
Нали затова се постарах (ама много лесно - пишеш encyclopedia, после търсене в резултатите - macedonia) да представя световно възприетите мнения за: Що е Македония. Не българските, не македонските.
И в тези резултати преобладава мнението, че може на държавата да се вика и Република Македония, но това не означава, че тази дума (Македония) е определена само и единствено за държавата Република Македония.
Буквалното схващане на имената, едно единствено значение и нищо друго, води до тизш необосновани претенции на македонистите спрямо България и българите.
Например думата формула. Ясно - F=m.a. Но има и например Формула 1. Формулата на Шумахер се завъртя. Чувал съм и такива коментари по ТВ. Пък ставало дума за колата, шофирана от Шумахер.
Та в българия нищо не е кръстено е и не очаквам да бъде кръстено на фиромец
Нали затова се постарах (ама много лесно - пишеш encyclopedia, после търсене в резултатите - macedonia) да представя световно възприетите мнения за: Що е Македония. Не българските, не македонските.
И в тези резултати преобладава мнението, че може на държавата да се вика и Република Македония, но това не означава, че тази дума (Македония) е определена само и единствено за държавата Република Македония.
Буквалното схващане на имената, едно единствено значение и нищо друго, води до тизш необосновани претенции на македонистите спрямо България и българите.
Например думата формула. Ясно - F=m.a. Но има и например Формула 1. Формулата на Шумахер се завъртя. Чувал съм и такива коментари по ТВ. Пък ставало дума за колата, шофирана от Шумахер.
Та в българия нищо не е кръстено е и не очаквам да бъде кръстено на фиромец
Re: ааа, можело ...
Торменатор,
момичето не е много в час. Тя самата е от Скопие ама имаше нещо общо със Хърватско - един път ми обеснява защо името и нема нищо македонско в него - ама забравих точно. Иначе много боса в Историята ама поне не се преструва да знае нещо ;-). Виж там има една Галина (++) в същата група, която е малко по в час - ама и тя бяга здраво по тъч линията ;-).
Тя беше писала за днешните 'млади' в Македония, че говорили на 'Български' - това в Охрид основно и следвали 'Българската' култура - че била модна, а тя самата не обичала този говор в Скопие - а този в Охрид - а най-много обичала говора в Пиринско (напевен?) и много мразела 'я-кането' на Българите ;-).
момичето не е много в час. Тя самата е от Скопие ама имаше нещо общо със Хърватско - един път ми обеснява защо името и нема нищо македонско в него - ама забравих точно. Иначе много боса в Историята ама поне не се преструва да знае нещо ;-). Виж там има една Галина (++) в същата група, която е малко по в час - ама и тя бяга здраво по тъч линията ;-).
Тя беше писала за днешните 'млади' в Македония, че говорили на 'Български' - това в Охрид основно и следвали 'Българската' култура - че била модна, а тя самата не обичала този говор в Скопие - а този в Охрид - а най-много обичала говора в Пиринско (напевен?) и много мразела 'я-кането' на Българите ;-).