Well...

I don't think you should be that worried - this only means the long-awaited end of Shimano's MTB monopoly is near...

You don't like XT 2004?
Bottom brackets - go RaceFace
Cranksets / chainrings - go RaceFace
brakes - go Avid/Hayes/Magura
shifters/drivetrain - go SRAM - they only have to produce nice trigger shifters...
hubs - go DT/ChrisKing,etc...

in two words - *UCK Shimano!!!

And I hardly imagine US manufacturers' 2004 aftermarket prices will be higher than Shimano's... they'd be stumbling fools if they don't grab the beast by the balls...

всъщност, защо аз тебе говори на английски - ти разбира прекрасно и български :))))))

Do, or do not - there's no "try"...

Actually a nice advice from you!
Hey everybody, READ the two words from bikerider!
But there is still a little problem I think... OK, I have already shifted to FSA crankset and BB, have already Ringle hubs and rims, Louise brakes and Time Z Control pedals. Indeed all this works extremely well on my bike, but what about the other parts of the drivetrain? I can bet on my life that SRAM will NEVER design proper trigger shifters, they still not have front derailleurs and they still make more fashion than function or strenght with their rear mechs (XO especially).
So what to do? Buying parts from 5 or 6 manufacturers isn't the same thing like buying from one from service point of view. The bike becomes a mess of different parts with no warranty or a chance for proper service and THIS is a real problem for me... Initially I hoped to combine the new Saint group (the oversized Centerlock makes much more sense than her weakish XTR sister, the rear mech's axle mount is a really good idea and he other parts of this half-a-group seem to be as strong as they look) with the shifters from the new XT, but now I'm forced to realize that there is no chance to obtain something diffterent than the misconstructed dual shifters FU**!

P.S. You can write in Bulgarian of course! Meanwhile I can cope with cyrillic written text, but don't ask me to write in Bulgarian - it takes toooooo much time

Sturm und Drang

Offtopic: Кои курбели на FSA ползваш, X-Drive, V-Drive или други? Смятам да купувам X-Drive и събирам мнения...

Ontopic:
Ако държиш на trigger shifter-и предполагам, че Shimano няма да въведат новата система при всички компонентни групи... Ако пък те е срам да ползваш нещо от по-нисък от XT клас - мини на SRAM и се научи да ползваш gripshift :))). С депласьорите пък номера е да купуваш възможно най-евтиния вариант, и да сменяш колкото често се налага :). Макар че аз лично вече 7-8 месеца безуспешно се опитвам да счупя един депласьор 5.0, който е 95% пластмаса. За сравнение предшестващия го 9.0 го скърших точно през двете метални рамена при едно доста леко падане.

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Bulvotch.tk

Ontopic: V-Drive Bash with X-Drive BB (I'm just a girl, don't forget it) :-))))

Offtopic: The main problem of the new XT is the RapidRise ONLY feature of the rear mech - accordind to the rumours. I'm NOT a climber! I'm a DESCENDER! And don't tell me again about gripshift please - for me that's the most foolish thing in the history of ATB/MTB by date...

Sturm und Drang

I still can't explain it to myself
how do thy work

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az karam komanda 8-ca i obtegach 7.0 weche treta godina i moga da ti kaja che nqmam nikakwa zabelejka
az lichno sym fen na gripshift-a !!!!

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Чак пък most foolish... При правилна употреба gripshift-а няма грешка :).

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Стискаш спирачките, минаваш през неравност, командата превключва. Просто е :).

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az lichno tolkowa sym mu swiknal, che triiger shifter-ite mi se struwat super nedodqlani...

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ne mi se e sluchwalo da prewkliuchi sama
seriozno.....

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How the shifters work?
The bright side of the story is here - [линк]
The dark side was shortly and precisely described by Agentorange - the new DualControl has a feature, which I call "Automatic Bump Shifting". Under braking the fingers need only a very small amount of vertical movement (caused by bumps, jumps, hops and other funny things which are the joy and essence of MTB-riding from my point of view) and she SHITTING process begins... In addition the levers are too far from the handlebar to operate with small hands (women have no chance to shift AND brake properly, since there is NO woman-specific design or reach-adjustment feature)
VERDICT - DualControl is ONLY (if at all) suitable for XC. Shimano shoots in his own foot with this technology and for sure they will lose all the FR-Enduro people.

Sturm und Drang

Maybe they hope the FR brand fans will go with the Saint group... Which, I think, is another marketing hype with compatibility leaning to Zero.

p.s.
I love twist shifters :)

 hardtail pride.

Indeed!
Just like I said yesterday, I hoped to combine the Saint group with shifters from the new XT. But no way anymore since there will be only the "choice" of DualControl. And indeed this is a totally brainless move from Shimano - I'm deadsure, that the basically ingenious Saint will fail exactly because the FR-people will NOT accept the shifting solution, suggested from Shimano. I personally will stay by my old XT shifters and mechs...

To be very honest, I HATE gripshifters and will prefer to stay away from them also in the future. But only God knows :)))

Sturm und Drang

I definitely agree - gripshifts are LAME :))))

but nadine, rapidrise is a good thing - it defines a more intuitive standart (acceleration is always with the thumbs), relaxes the derailleur spring - in two words I think it's a nice feature.

Do, or do not - there's no "try"...

I got the same problem last year - was stuck with SRAM shifter/derailleur
so I reacted quickly and bought a pair of XT shifters and XTR derailleur.
I knew Shimano are going to do something like this, so I chose the only option - use an older version shifters (to avoid forcing me to use shimano brakes) and newer version derailleur - that's the only option for now

but I think SRAM will react - just give them more time...
about front derailleurs - shimano's are still the best, you can use them

Do, or do not - there's no "try"...

Манши, ако искаш да стискаш ръкохватка с цяла длан тогава gripshift-а има един голям недостатък - много място заема на кормилото
и спирачката отива адски навътре

аз поне не можах да измисля как хем да имам ръкохватка за цялата длан (за да не превключвам без да искам), хем спирачката да ми е на удобно разстояние

просто няма начин, а аз все пак бях със SRAM 9.0 Shorty, които доколкото ми е известно са най-тесните gripshift-ове

това е недостатъка, иначе са адски удобни (дори много по-удобни) за превключване от trigger командите

Do, or do not - there's no "try"...

Аз за на Shimano новата чикия говорех... Иначе с gripshift-а и аз съм така, никога не съм превключвал неволно.

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Зависи как стискаш лостчето. Ако е с 1 пръст в самия край на лостчето не би трябвало да имаш проблеми. При мен от дясната страна има 9.5см ръкохватка, gripshift (SRAM 9.0 Shorty), 2см свободно място и лостче за спирачката. С такава дължина на ръкохватката ръката ми обхваща първите няколко милиметра от командата, което не е достатъчно за неволно превключване, а при съзнателното такова преместването на ръката е абсолютно минимално. Края на лостчето за спирачката се пада точно над вътрешния край на ръкохватката, което е перфектно при спиране с 1 пръст.

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mini ako iskash utre prez bas da widish pri men kak e
az lichno mnogo sym im swiknal i nqma podobni problemi

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Еххххххххх, друго си е да ти го каже жена....

ебаси жената..
хахахахахаа
базикам се

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