Macedonian language

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mac Macedonian

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Ethnic groups Bulgarian 83%, Turk 8.5%, Roma 2.6%, Macedonian, Armenian, Tatar, Gagauz, Circassian, others (1998)

We note that here we describe the Modern Macedonian language, the language spoken in the Republic of Macedonia, the member of South Slavic branch of Indo-European languages. We know that the government of Bulgaria doesn't recognize the existence of this language supposing it is just the dialect of Bulgarian. We know also that the Greek government doesn't recognize the name "Macedonian" concerning this Slavic tongue, demanding another name for it, for not to lose the glory of Ancient Macedonia. We know, finally, that some Serbs consider Macedonian to be just a south Serbian dialect. But the science is impassive, and the facts tells us that Macedonian is a separate language and, as every other language, has a right to exist.
Moreover, it is very interesting. Like Bulgarian, its closest relative, Macedonian has got a definite article (due to Greek influence) placed at the end of the noun.

Macedonian has got a number of features that are unique among the Slavic languages. These features include the loss of cases in nouns, adjectives and pronouns; a suffixed definite article (with three forms in Macedonian, as in the examples knigava, meaning "the book near me"; knigata, meaning "the book"; and knigana, meaning "the book over there"); and a large variety of verb tenses.

The verb also has witnessed and nonwitnessed forms. Like Bulgarian and Serbian, Macedonian has a large number of borrowings from the Turkish language and a significant number from the Greek language.

Literary works have been published in Macedonian dialects since the end of the 18th century, however, the modern literary language dates only from August 2, 1944, when it was formally declared the language of Yugoslav Macedonia. The language was quickly standardized in the following years. The main dialect division in Macedonian is between eastern and western dialects, but the dialects do not differ from each other as much as do the dialects within the Slovene, Serbo-Croatian, or Bulgarian languages.

Yes, a dialekt certainly has a right to exist (there are dialekts of Suahili for all one should care) but only AS DIALEKT. In that case Makedonian is a dialekt of Bulgarian and as such is not a separate language. In ither words one people, one language, two states. Period.

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enciklopedijata se kodovite na jazicite, ne na dialekti.

od iskustvo cia e kurva

prvo ezicite, a kodovete na p@&#a materna...

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also called SLAVONIC LANGUAGES, group of Indo-European languages spoken in most of eastern Europe, much of the Balkans, parts of central Europe, and the northern part of Asia. The Slavic languages are most closely related to the languages of the Baltic group (Lithuanian, Latvian, and the now-extinct Old Prussian), but they share certain linguistic innovations with the other eastern Indo-European language groups (such as Indo-Iranian and Armenian) as well.

From their homeland in east-central Europe (Poland or Ukraine), the Slavic languages have spread to the territory of the Balkans (Bulgarian, Macedonian, Slovene, Serbo-Croatian), central Europe (Czech and Slovak), eastern Europe (Belarusian, Ukrainian, Russian), and the northern parts of Asia (Russian). In addition, Russian is used as a second language by most inhabitants of the countries that were formerly part of the Soviet Union. Some of the Slavic languages have been used by writers of worldwide significance (e.g., Russian, Polish, Czech), and the Church Slavonic language remains in use in the services in the Eastern Orthodox church. (See Old Church Slavonic language.)

nema neko jaki dokazi deka nekakvi sloveni dosle od nekade.

morale da pominat niz Bugarija za da diojdat do Makedonija. najverojatno jazikot se dvizel vo sprotivnata nasoka.

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Slavic languages

South Slavic


The Eastern subgroup: Bulgarian and Macedonian


Bulgarian is spoken by more than nine million people in Bulgaria and
adjacent areas of other Balkan countries and Ukraine. There are
two major groups of Bulgarian dialects: Eastern Bulgarian, which
became the basis of the literary language in the middle of the 19th
century, and Western Bulgarian, which influenced the literary
language. Bulgarian texts prepared before the 16th century were
written mostly in an archaic language that preserved some features
of both Old Bulgarian or Old Church Slavonic (10th to 11th
century) and Middle Bulgarian (beginning in the 12th century).

Although the vocabulary and grammar of the early texts written in
the Old Church Slavonic language include some Old Bulgarian
features, the language was nevertheless based originally on a
Macedonian dialect. Old Church Slavonic was the first Slavic
language to be put down in written form. This was accomplished by
SS. Cyril (Constantine) and Methodius, who translated the Bible
into what later became known as Old Church Slavonic and invented
a Slavic alphabet (Glagolitic). The modern Macedonian language is
spoken by about two million people in the Balkan countries. It was
the last major Slavic language to attain a standard literary form;
during World War II its central dialects of Prilep and Veles were
elevated to this status. The Central Macedonian dialect is closer to
Bulgarian, while the Northern dialect shares some features with the
Serbo-Croatian language.

nema vrska toa so Bugarite. poradi drzavata Bugarija mu davaat nekoi takvo ime, pokasno.

Slavic Languages CLOSELY?!? related to Lithuanian?

Poland or Ukraine, which is it?

Russian as a second language? A be toa e epten gola voda.


Still it does not say anything about Makedonian not being a DIALEKT OF BULGARIAN.

Sorry, truth hurts...

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harvard = har + vard = vard + har =>vardar (ova h kako i erot ne se cita)

a za vardar site znaeme deka Bugarite go iznislile.

vardar na staroBugarski znaci :

vardi = > vardar (cuvar) ili warden na angliski, ovde preslo vo r a v vo w

ete i Englezite se potomci na Asparuh.

Whether modern Macedonian is a dialect or a separate language - I leave this to the linguists. However, the "unique features" of Macedonian are declared, but not cited. Loss of cases? Suffixed definite article? Variety of verb tenses? All this is common to Bulgarian too.
OK, modern Macedonian was created on Aug 2, 1944. But prior to this there was no Macedonian language, since there was not a Macedonian people.

OK, I agree with this - old church Slavonic (which is the same as old Bulgarian) is based originally on a Macedonian dialect - a Macedonian dialect of Bulgarian, that is.

there were no Bulgarian dialects back then. there was no Bulgarian language to be more specific. the macedonian dialect spread through the church all around Bulgaria and of course later because of that became known as Bulgarian.

на този свят са терминологични. Т.е. форма и съдържание. Под дадена дума (збор, термин) какво се разбира, всеки какво си мисли за съдържанието. Имена и какво означават те.
Чисти вещества и запазена (търговска) марка.
И споровете затихват, когато се постигне някакво по-общо съгласие дадена дума що значи.
Ние сме още далече от постигането на консенсус по въпроса за македонски и български език.
the macedonian dialect spread through the church all around Bulgaria and of course later because of that became known as Bulgarian.
Во голема степен се съгласявам с теб, но...
Езикът, който се е говорел в Охридско, и бил именуван (може и по-късно) български, защото е имало българска държава (държава с име България) по това време, а не е било прието държавата (по това време) да се нарича Македония.
Но ако кажеш славянски език никой няма да ти каже, че говориш глупости.
Ние сега спориме за миналото, как се е казвал този език по-рано. Колкото и на теб да ти се иска сега всички да започнат да казват, това е македонски, но хората са се объркали и му викат български, не може да се върнеме назад с времеплов и да корегираме миналото. Така е останало и не трябва да внасяме допълнителни изменения, които ужким ще подредят нещата, а всъщност ги объркват.
Прави са и гърците, като казват, че ако на днешния македонски език му казваме македонски, ще се получи двусмислие, защото Ал. Мак и Филип са говорели на македонски език, но той се различава от днешния македонски език.
Прави сте и вие, като казвате, че езикът на Кубрат и Аспарух не е днешният език в БГ.
И защо требе да се псуеме заради тези неща?

jas za ovie raboti ne bi ni diskutiral ama ete se nametnuva temata i treba nekako da zivee forumov. dodeka nie brborime za minatoto nemame vreme da ja podobrime segasnosta a za idninata podaleku od utre nitu ni teknuva.

Имаше едно момче от Македония, кой знае защо се беше кръстил (именувал) BMF, той си спомням предложи десетина неща, како план за какво да се бориме, но за съжаление никой не му обърна внимание, а предложенията му бяха добри, умни.

ne e jasno samo dali Anglicanite se praBugari ili Bugarite se pravat Englezi.