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Stranski izvestai
1897
William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory. Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January 1897, p.12
1900
A. Brutus (A. Drandar): Concerning a movement in Macedonia A considerable section of the European press does not cease to inform us of the immense sufferings undergone by the Christian population of Macedonia....It was the sad fate of that population that made us publish this booklet, based upon our experience and personal observations I had acquired impartially, as a foreigner, during my stay in Macedonia of several years...If one takes a retrospective view of the history of Macedonia to the most ancient of times, one remains amazed by the great role this small country, this classical country par excellance, played in the world....The Macedonian, born in a land to which nature was so favorable, has always longed for heroic feats and aspired to great deeds...Even the glorious cradle of Ancient Hellenism is subjected to the Macedonian kings...We find Macedonians on the Byzantine throne at the time when this empire was at its peak. Following the course of history, we see how the star of Macedonia shone with the same intensity. It plays the chief role in the revival of the Slav people. Thus, the two brothers exalted to apostles, Cyril and Methodius, objects of general admiration for the Slav world, are Macedonians, and owing to the very existence of these two apostles, this small land becomes the cradle of the Slav people to whom it gives its religion and art...The inhabitants of Macedonia do not want to be annexed either to Bulgaria or Serbia, or Greece; they want, they want so strongly, to live a human life in an autonomous country. Their slogan is: Macedonia to the Macedonians. A. Brutus, A Propos d'un Mouvement en Macedonie, Bruxelles 1900, pp.12-13, 15, 56.
1907-1908
The Macedonian Villages ...I asked him what language they spoke, and my Greek interpreter carelessly rendered the answer Bulgare. The man himself had said Makedonski. I drew attention to this word and the witness explained that he did not consider the rural dialect used in Macedonia the same as Bulgarian, and refused to call it by that name. It was Macedonian, a word to which he gave the Slav form of Makedonski, but which I was to hear farther north in the Greek form of Makedonike. And so the "Bulgarophone" villagers are no longer willing to admit that they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth their dialect, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as "Macedonian". My Athenian friends were delighted when I told them of this on my return. It should give even greater pleasure to those Bulgarian agents who are so anxious to see the Macedonians thought they are Macedonians. Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp. 204-205
Mene ova ne mi treba, jas sevo ova go imam slusnato direkno od izvorot od postarite clenovi na mojata familija.
Ova e edna mala pomos za nasite sosedi Bolgari da se razbudat od sanstefanskiot son i da pocneme da ziveeme pocituvajki se megju sebe i gradejki zaednicka idnina kako dva naroda koi imaat mnogu zaednicki nesta.
Samo toa e praviot pat kon zaednicka idnina.
Se drugo e konflikt i nisto dobro nema da ni donese nitu nam nitu vam.
Turcite 500 godini vladeea zatoa sto Slovenite ne uspeea da si gi nadminat razlikite.
Elinite ja ocistija Egejska Makedonia i od Bugari i od Makedonci poradi istata pricina.
Ako nekoj profitira od nasata kavga toa se nasite sosedi.
I ako ne ja naucime greskata od minatoto ne ceka novo ropstvo od 500 godini.
ZoranJ
William Gladstone ...Next to the Ottoman Govt. nothing can be more deplorable and blameworthy then jealousies between Greek and Slav, and plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory. Why not Macedonia for Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for Bulgarians and Servia for Servians. And if they are small and weak, let them bind themselves together for defence, so that they may not be devoured by others, either great and small, which would probably be the effect of their quarreling among themselves. The Times (London), 6th January 1897, p.12
1900
A. Brutus (A. Drandar): Concerning a movement in Macedonia A considerable section of the European press does not cease to inform us of the immense sufferings undergone by the Christian population of Macedonia....It was the sad fate of that population that made us publish this booklet, based upon our experience and personal observations I had acquired impartially, as a foreigner, during my stay in Macedonia of several years...If one takes a retrospective view of the history of Macedonia to the most ancient of times, one remains amazed by the great role this small country, this classical country par excellance, played in the world....The Macedonian, born in a land to which nature was so favorable, has always longed for heroic feats and aspired to great deeds...Even the glorious cradle of Ancient Hellenism is subjected to the Macedonian kings...We find Macedonians on the Byzantine throne at the time when this empire was at its peak. Following the course of history, we see how the star of Macedonia shone with the same intensity. It plays the chief role in the revival of the Slav people. Thus, the two brothers exalted to apostles, Cyril and Methodius, objects of general admiration for the Slav world, are Macedonians, and owing to the very existence of these two apostles, this small land becomes the cradle of the Slav people to whom it gives its religion and art...The inhabitants of Macedonia do not want to be annexed either to Bulgaria or Serbia, or Greece; they want, they want so strongly, to live a human life in an autonomous country. Their slogan is: Macedonia to the Macedonians. A. Brutus, A Propos d'un Mouvement en Macedonie, Bruxelles 1900, pp.12-13, 15, 56.
1907-1908
The Macedonian Villages ...I asked him what language they spoke, and my Greek interpreter carelessly rendered the answer Bulgare. The man himself had said Makedonski. I drew attention to this word and the witness explained that he did not consider the rural dialect used in Macedonia the same as Bulgarian, and refused to call it by that name. It was Macedonian, a word to which he gave the Slav form of Makedonski, but which I was to hear farther north in the Greek form of Makedonike. And so the "Bulgarophone" villagers are no longer willing to admit that they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth their dialect, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as "Macedonian". My Athenian friends were delighted when I told them of this on my return. It should give even greater pleasure to those Bulgarian agents who are so anxious to see the Macedonians thought they are Macedonians. Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp. 204-205
Mene ova ne mi treba, jas sevo ova go imam slusnato direkno od izvorot od postarite clenovi na mojata familija.
Ova e edna mala pomos za nasite sosedi Bolgari da se razbudat od sanstefanskiot son i da pocneme da ziveeme pocituvajki se megju sebe i gradejki zaednicka idnina kako dva naroda koi imaat mnogu zaednicki nesta.
Samo toa e praviot pat kon zaednicka idnina.
Se drugo e konflikt i nisto dobro nema da ni donese nitu nam nitu vam.
Turcite 500 godini vladeea zatoa sto Slovenite ne uspeea da si gi nadminat razlikite.
Elinite ja ocistija Egejska Makedonia i od Bugari i od Makedonci poradi istata pricina.
Ako nekoj profitira od nasata kavga toa se nasite sosedi.
I ako ne ja naucime greskata od minatoto ne ceka novo ropstvo od 500 godini.
ZoranJ
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1907-1908
The Macedonian Villages ...I asked him what language they spoke, and my Greek interpreter carelessly rendered the answer Bulgare. The man himself had said Makedonski. I drew attention to this word and the witness explained that he did not consider the rural dialect used in Macedonia the same as Bulgarian, and refused to call it by that name. It was Macedonian, a word to which he gave the Slav form of Makedonski, but which I was to hear farther north in the Greek form of Makedonike. And so the "Bulgarophone" villagers are no longer willing to admit that they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth their dialect, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as "Macedonian". My Athenian friends were delighted when I told them of this on my return. It should give even greater pleasure to those Bulgarian agents who are so anxious to see the Macedonians thought they are Macedonians. Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp. 204-205
Ta ot kogo, vikash, e tova?
The Macedonian Villages ...I asked him what language they spoke, and my Greek interpreter carelessly rendered the answer Bulgare. The man himself had said Makedonski. I drew attention to this word and the witness explained that he did not consider the rural dialect used in Macedonia the same as Bulgarian, and refused to call it by that name. It was Macedonian, a word to which he gave the Slav form of Makedonski, but which I was to hear farther north in the Greek form of Makedonike. And so the "Bulgarophone" villagers are no longer willing to admit that they speak Bulgarian. They have coined a new term of their own accord, and henceforth their dialect, until they have got rid of it, is to be known as "Macedonian". My Athenian friends were delighted when I told them of this on my return. It should give even greater pleasure to those Bulgarian agents who are so anxious to see the Macedonians thought they are Macedonians. Allen Upward, The East End of Europe, London 1908, pp. 204-205
Ta ot kogo, vikash, e tova?
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Od kogo i da e, togas kako i denes, nie sme makedonci a vie bugari.
Zdravo Zorane: Me raduva deka istapuvas so argumenti pred nasite sosedi bugari. Iako tesko odi, sepak fakja koren. Jas odamna go napustiv toj stil i sum na laf-muabet so niv. Bi te zamolil samo po-kriticki da se nosis so terminot "sloven" (pri zivi makedonci so toa ime) zosto e vo osnovata na negatorskata politika sprema makedonskiot narod i nacija.
Mnogu pozdravi,
Makeodnija na Makedoncite!
Zdravo Zorane: Me raduva deka istapuvas so argumenti pred nasite sosedi bugari. Iako tesko odi, sepak fakja koren. Jas odamna go napustiv toj stil i sum na laf-muabet so niv. Bi te zamolil samo po-kriticki da se nosis so terminot "sloven" (pri zivi makedonci so toa ime) zosto e vo osnovata na negatorskata politika sprema makedonskiot narod i nacija.
Mnogu pozdravi,
Makeodnija na Makedoncite!
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Zorane,
Tova e OK, no ne zabravjaj, che e pisano sled Ilinden, kogato samata dyma Bulgarin beshe presledvana s ogan i mech v Makedonija. Kakvo shte pravim s ot jasnite po-jasni izveshtai ( izvestija) ot mestni xora, vkljuchitelno vodachi na VMORO, che sa Bugari...Dymata na tvoite rodnini sreshty dumata na mnogo drygi xora, koito poznavam s koren ot Egejska Makedonija ( naprimer Hristofor Dzavella, Ljubka Rondova i t.n.) Che Kukush G'rcite go narichali Malkata Sofija,a polovinata kukushani i gevgelijci sega zhivejat v Sofija. Edin ne sam chul da kazhe, che ne e Bulgarin. Dazhe uprekvat nas Bulgarite, koito njamame nishto obshto s Makedonija, che sme nacionalni nihilisti, kogato spomenem, che vav Vardarska i Egejska Makedonija povecheto xora sega ne se chuvstvat Bulgari, a Makedonci kato otdelna nacija...... Inache predpolagam, che tova, koeto citirash e OK...I tova, koeto kazvash v kraja e absoljutno vjarno. No yvazhenieto trjabva da e vzaimno, nali taka?
Tova e OK, no ne zabravjaj, che e pisano sled Ilinden, kogato samata dyma Bulgarin beshe presledvana s ogan i mech v Makedonija. Kakvo shte pravim s ot jasnite po-jasni izveshtai ( izvestija) ot mestni xora, vkljuchitelno vodachi na VMORO, che sa Bugari...Dymata na tvoite rodnini sreshty dumata na mnogo drygi xora, koito poznavam s koren ot Egejska Makedonija ( naprimer Hristofor Dzavella, Ljubka Rondova i t.n.) Che Kukush G'rcite go narichali Malkata Sofija,a polovinata kukushani i gevgelijci sega zhivejat v Sofija. Edin ne sam chul da kazhe, che ne e Bulgarin. Dazhe uprekvat nas Bulgarite, koito njamame nishto obshto s Makedonija, che sme nacionalni nihilisti, kogato spomenem, che vav Vardarska i Egejska Makedonija povecheto xora sega ne se chuvstvat Bulgari, a Makedonci kato otdelna nacija...... Inache predpolagam, che tova, koeto citirash e OK...I tova, koeto kazvash v kraja e absoljutno vjarno. No yvazhenieto trjabva da e vzaimno, nali taka?
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Bugari, javete se be?? Zorane, dobro e ova, ama dzabe, tie si se vo svoj svet, ne priznavaat nisto drugo osven Bugarska istorija na Makedonija. Site znaeme od lichno iskustvo deka ne ne ima dekret stvoreno, samo budala toa moze da go kaze, ama dzabe. Vo sekoj sluchaj toa ke bide Bugarska zaguba.
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Nie v nashija, vie vav vashija... Ela v Gevgelijskija kvartal v Sofija ili na bulevard Goce Delchev, kadeto sa kukushanite i im kazhi, che ne sa Bulgari, a antichki Makedonci... Ne otgovarjam za posledstvijata...Te ponezhe sa Makedonci, a ne Bulgari, sa izbjagali v Bulgarija pri Tatarite...Ne chuvstvash li, che neshto ti kuca logikata?
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Americans Find Bulgarians in Macedonia
(Ch.V of "Pen and The Sword", J.F. Clark, Columbia University Press, New York, 1988)
" ... After the decision to launch a Bulgarian mission was taken, Adrianople, Stara Zagora, Plovdiv and, later, Sofia and Samokov were chosen as stations but Monastir and Skopje, in Macedonia, were strongly recommended as additional stations.
I am not here able to separate Bulgaria and Macedonia, nor were the missionaries until the Congress of Berlin did it for them. Estimates naturally varied as to the size of the Bulgarian population in European Turkey, the usual figure being four and a half million (Homes, 1845).
According to ilamlin and his Bulgarian sources, half of the Bulgarians were south and west of Bulgaria Proper; others figures thatthey were divided equally among Bulgaria Proper, Boumelia, and Macedonia.[13]
It was common practice for the missionaries to make extensive tours of surrounding territory and to duly file reports of their findings. These often extended into Macedonia. Never did they find Macedonians. Whereas the missionaries recognized the Bulgarians as Slavs, they also mentioned Greek speaking Bulgarians and Bulgarian speaking Turks (Muslims) and Greeks.
In a first visit to Plovdiv in 1857, Hamlin noted that "So entirely unconscious are the people of the Balkans being the boundary of Bulgaria, that when I spoke of Bulgaria I was repeatedly corrected by the remark, 'you are now in Bulgaria.' [14 ]
In 1860 Charles Morse and J. F. Clarke described Pirot, three-fourths Bulgarian with 230 Bulgarian villages in the area, as an "example of most of the larger towns in Bulgaria." [15]
Shortly before he was killed by robbers in 1862, William Meriam, stationed in Plovdiv, visited about twenty places, half of them in Macedonia.[16]
In 1871 William Locke spent thirty-seven days visiting Kyustendil, Palanka, Kumanovo, Skopie, Veles, Radovisht, Prilep, Monastir, Vodena, "Solon" (Thessaloniki), and back via Seres, Nevrokop and Bansko. He concluded, "The Bulgarians as a nation are awakening to new life and vigor."[17]
Prior to settling upon Monastir as a new station, Clarke, Locke, George Marsh and J. W. Baird surveyed Skopje, Veles and Prilep. They decided upon Monastir as the most central and concluded that "the Macedonian dialect differs considerably from the language used in the other stations," and that Baird and E. W. Jenny, the two new missionaries for Monastir, should both study Bulgarian instead of Turkish and Greek.[18]
In 1873 the Monastir station was established and twenty years later Thessaloniki was reoccupied (where Miss Stone was stationed in 1901) because it was the "center of a very large Bulgarian population," but there was no administrative difference or separation from the original Bulgarian stations.[19]
Before Macedonia became a "Question," the American missionaries were not aware of any essential differences between Bulgaria and Macedonia, or between Bulgarians in Bulgaria and those in Macedonia, except for one thing - the existence of a western and an eastern Bulgarian "dialect." Obviously, choosing the right language for their work was a prime consideration Because the western tended to prevail among the earlier writers, including Neofit Rilski, the Board missionaries naturally adopted it. ..."
(Ch.V of "Pen and The Sword", J.F. Clark, Columbia University Press, New York, 1988)
" ... After the decision to launch a Bulgarian mission was taken, Adrianople, Stara Zagora, Plovdiv and, later, Sofia and Samokov were chosen as stations but Monastir and Skopje, in Macedonia, were strongly recommended as additional stations.
I am not here able to separate Bulgaria and Macedonia, nor were the missionaries until the Congress of Berlin did it for them. Estimates naturally varied as to the size of the Bulgarian population in European Turkey, the usual figure being four and a half million (Homes, 1845).
According to ilamlin and his Bulgarian sources, half of the Bulgarians were south and west of Bulgaria Proper; others figures thatthey were divided equally among Bulgaria Proper, Boumelia, and Macedonia.[13]
It was common practice for the missionaries to make extensive tours of surrounding territory and to duly file reports of their findings. These often extended into Macedonia. Never did they find Macedonians. Whereas the missionaries recognized the Bulgarians as Slavs, they also mentioned Greek speaking Bulgarians and Bulgarian speaking Turks (Muslims) and Greeks.
In a first visit to Plovdiv in 1857, Hamlin noted that "So entirely unconscious are the people of the Balkans being the boundary of Bulgaria, that when I spoke of Bulgaria I was repeatedly corrected by the remark, 'you are now in Bulgaria.' [14 ]
In 1860 Charles Morse and J. F. Clarke described Pirot, three-fourths Bulgarian with 230 Bulgarian villages in the area, as an "example of most of the larger towns in Bulgaria." [15]
Shortly before he was killed by robbers in 1862, William Meriam, stationed in Plovdiv, visited about twenty places, half of them in Macedonia.[16]
In 1871 William Locke spent thirty-seven days visiting Kyustendil, Palanka, Kumanovo, Skopie, Veles, Radovisht, Prilep, Monastir, Vodena, "Solon" (Thessaloniki), and back via Seres, Nevrokop and Bansko. He concluded, "The Bulgarians as a nation are awakening to new life and vigor."[17]
Prior to settling upon Monastir as a new station, Clarke, Locke, George Marsh and J. W. Baird surveyed Skopje, Veles and Prilep. They decided upon Monastir as the most central and concluded that "the Macedonian dialect differs considerably from the language used in the other stations," and that Baird and E. W. Jenny, the two new missionaries for Monastir, should both study Bulgarian instead of Turkish and Greek.[18]
In 1873 the Monastir station was established and twenty years later Thessaloniki was reoccupied (where Miss Stone was stationed in 1901) because it was the "center of a very large Bulgarian population," but there was no administrative difference or separation from the original Bulgarian stations.[19]
Before Macedonia became a "Question," the American missionaries were not aware of any essential differences between Bulgaria and Macedonia, or between Bulgarians in Bulgaria and those in Macedonia, except for one thing - the existence of a western and an eastern Bulgarian "dialect." Obviously, choosing the right language for their work was a prime consideration Because the western tended to prevail among the earlier writers, including Neofit Rilski, the Board missionaries naturally adopted it. ..."
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Ponezhe stava duma za EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA, kadeto nemalo Bugari, a samo Makedonci (antichki i drugi), ta az ti kazvam, che v Sofija ima celi kvartali s bezhanci ot EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA ( Ot Kukush, Gevgelija, kojato e na granicata, Dojran etc.), koito izbegale, kato Bugari vo 1913 i 1945 g. vo Bugarija. Toest v Egejska Makedonija imalo dosta xora, deto bili i sa Bugari ( pone texnite potomci v Sofija). Ta da mi kazhesh Kukush makedonski grad li bili ili bugarski v etnichka smisla, oti sega se kazhuva Kilkis i zhivejat samo G'rci ot Anadola, a nie mozhe oshte da si praime laf-muabet i da si vikame tatari, Fyromci i t.n. Sega barem dali me razbra ili trebva sega da baram dokumenti ( spomenite na Hristo Shaldev ot Kukush, pismata na Goce Delchev i dr. deto sa Internet v makedonski sajt) i da si objasnjavame kato oligofreni jasni raboti.
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Za razlika od gornite navodi na ZoranJ koj se napisani od lugje koj nikakva vrska nemale ni so Bugarija, ni so Srbija, ni o Grcija ovde moze d aprocitate za avtorot na knigava:
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A collection of writings by James F. Clarke, the recognized dean of Bulgarian historical scholarship in America. Following Clarke's death in 1982, his colleagues began collection his work for publication. Presented here are 34 studies which address the Bulgarian National Revival and Americans and Bulgarians. In addition to studies written by Clarke, a chronological list of his published works and a bibliography of all sources cited in this text have been appended to the collection. Annotation copyright Book News, Inc. Portland, Or.
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Editorial Reviews
From Book News, Inc.
A collection of writings by James F. Clarke, the recognized dean of Bulgarian historical scholarship in America. Following Clarke's death in 1982, his colleagues began collection his work for publication. Presented here are 34 studies which address the Bulgarian National Revival and Americans and Bulgarians. In addition to studies written by Clarke, a chronological list of his published works and a bibliography of all sources cited in this text have been appended to the collection. Annotation copyright Book News, Inc. Portland, Or.
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Izvinjavaj, ama neshto ne razbrax. Toj se e zanimaval s bulgarska istorija profesionalno, koeto e losho. Ili podozirash, che e podkupen ot Tatarstan da pishe v polza na Bulgarite. Kakva mu e vr'zkata s Bulgarija, osven che e imal traen nauchen interes k'm bulgarskata istorija? Ne se zajazhdam , pitam, iskam da izjasnime toja vapros...drugoto e maniupulacijka ( evtinichka).
koe e povazno za Makedonija
sto rekol nekoj bezimen seljak ili sto rekle Goce, Dame i Miladinovci? Jasno e deka vo edna seljacka drzava postoi kult kon nepismenite i maloobrazovanite.
Eve go makedonizmot: moze da ima 10 profesora koi se Bugari, 1 (eden) seljak da ima da rece nesto drugo, nego kje go pocituvaat. Smesno e!
Eve go makedonizmot: moze da ima 10 profesora koi se Bugari, 1 (eden) seljak da ima da rece nesto drugo, nego kje go pocituvaat. Smesno e!
Kratak analiz
Nauchavame ot tretiov paragraf, deka nekoj Makedonski seljak kazhal deka zbori Makedonski, a Grkot pridruzitel go redaktiral toa na Bulgarski. Zarem toa mozhi da sluzhi za dokaz? Ne stanuva nikako jasno dali seljakot Makedonski zbori za regionalen dialekt ili koj znae shto. Fakt e deka vo pochetokot na 20 vek poimite Makedonec i Bulgarin se bile ramnoznachni. Eve vidi gi stihovete na Rajko Zhinzifov kade Makedonec=Bulgarin. Zabelezhi isto deka ovoj fakt mnogu go zaraduval Grkot od Atina. Isto taka ne e jasno dali seljakot bil od Patriarshistka ili Egzarhistka familija. Grcite odamna ja koristat taa propaganda deka Slavjanite od Makedonija se Makedono-Grci, nableguvat na Antichkata Makedonska istorija kako po ovoj nachin se stremat da ja sprotivat Bulgarskata kauza na obedinuvanje na Bulgarite od trite zemji Mizija-Trakija-Makedonija.
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Zorane, velish imame mnogu zaednichki neshta, a istovremeno postajano ne zaboravish da nateknuvash za "tatari, mongoli i t.n." Ili koga ti e ugodno sme zaednichki, koga ne ti e sme "tatari". Zoshto ushte robuvate na Srpskata propaganda od Novakovic, Belic i Dzijic?
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Zorane, velish imame mnogu zaednichki neshta, a istovremeno postajano ne zaboravish da nateknuvash za "tatari, mongoli i t.n." Ili koga ti e ugodno sme zaednichki, koga ne ti e sme "tatari". Zoshto ushte robuvate na Srpskata propaganda od Novakovic, Belic i Dzijic?
Ushte po temava
Vo 1900, nekoj Makedonski seljak od Egejskiot del kazhal deka zbori Makedonski, a samo po 3 godini, Ilindensko-Preobrazhenskoto vostanie e dignato od Bulgari vo Bitolsko-Krushevo i vo Strandjansko.
Sega ke mi kazesh deka Nikola Karev dal intervju vo Grcki vesnik i kazal deka bil Makedonec-naslednik na Aleksandar. E???? Istiot ovoj Karev deluva vo Ilindenskoto vostanie i vo Krushevata republika. Ajde stavi mi ustavot na vostanicite i Centralniot Komitet, da vidime koi se celite. Mozime i da zborime shto se slucuva so tie vostanici po vreme na Srpskata okupacija vo 1913 godina, shto se sluchi so sinot na Pitu Guli i kako Bulgarskata vojska beshe sretnata od istite tie veterani-vostanici od Ilinden. Mozhi i slika da stvam na Ilindencite zaedno so Bugarskiot general Marinov vo Prilep vo 1943 godina. Ako sakash.
BTW, Jovan Cvijic, tuku ne Dzijic---vo gornata poraka.
Sega ke mi kazesh deka Nikola Karev dal intervju vo Grcki vesnik i kazal deka bil Makedonec-naslednik na Aleksandar. E???? Istiot ovoj Karev deluva vo Ilindenskoto vostanie i vo Krushevata republika. Ajde stavi mi ustavot na vostanicite i Centralniot Komitet, da vidime koi se celite. Mozime i da zborime shto se slucuva so tie vostanici po vreme na Srpskata okupacija vo 1913 godina, shto se sluchi so sinot na Pitu Guli i kako Bulgarskata vojska beshe sretnata od istite tie veterani-vostanici od Ilinden. Mozhi i slika da stvam na Ilindencite zaedno so Bugarskiot general Marinov vo Prilep vo 1943 godina. Ako sakash.
BTW, Jovan Cvijic, tuku ne Dzijic---vo gornata poraka.