Прабългарите не са татари
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Прабългарите не са татари
Прабългарите не са били татари. В руската народна поема "Слово о польком Игорева" се казва, че прабългарите заедно с русите са воювали срещу татарите. Те както и русите са били покорени от татарските орди. След като руснаците покоряват Волжска България, те я наричат Татарстан, а населението татари. С това обаче местното население не е съгласно и много от тях се пишат в паспортите си като българи. Това е същата история както с "македонската нация", най-лесно е да покориш един народ като изтриеш спомените и фалшфицираш фактите за неговото минало. Това са направили с вас сърбите. Не ясно какъв е произхода на прабългарите. Предполага се, че идват от Тибет, където е имало войнствени племена. Може би за произхода им ще бъдат изказани и други мнения.
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The historic Finno-Ugrians, of whom frequent mention has been made in the past, with little elucidation, include in the first branch all of the Finnish-speaking tribes of central and northern Russia, the Esthonians, and the Baltic Finns, as well as the Lapps, who speak an archaic Finnish dialect; in the second, the ancestors of the Magyars, the Bolgars, and the Siberian Ostiaks and Voguls.
The Finns and the Ugrians were a united people, in the geographical sense, until the arrival of the Slavs from the west, and Huns and Avars from the east, forced some of them to migrate, and caused the absorption of others. Judging by a series of small samples taken from the heart of their forest abode, they were members of the general Nordic sub-group, most closely related to the Minussinsk people in Siberia, but showing relationships likewise with Scythians and peoples of known Indo-European linguistic affiliation.
When we make a metrical comparison between the first two groups of Finnish skulls and all European series previously studied, the find that they fit into the ranks of Iron Age Indo-European speakers without difficulty. On the whole, they resemble most nearly the larger-sized members of the intermediate group; they also resemble the Scythian crania to a considerable extent, and even more the Minussinsk skulls. They arc slightly smaller than the Germanic type, but equal to it in vault height and face breadth. In nose form and cranial height, they resemble the Neolithic Danubians.
News of the racial position of these early Finnish skulls will come as a surprise to scholars who see in the Finns a group of mongoloid immigrants from Asia. But that they were essentially if not wholly European is, despite the paucity of Debetz's material, incontestable. Nor can one derive these Finns from forest-dwellers of Mesolithic tradition, except perhaps as a minor influence. Furthermore, in the early Anan'ino series, recognizable Corded peculiarities are to he found in but one male skull out of seven. The Finno-Ugrians, therefore, may be tentatively considered to have been, in the period before they expanded into their historic scats, Europeans of mixed origin, basically Danubian in type, with some brachycephalic ele ment and an extremely long-headed variation as well; the latter is already familiar to us in the form of the Corded type; the former is not clearly definable, but is European. Its only discernible difference from the others in the same series is in a greater breadth of the skull. This broad-headed element is completely lacking in the late lower Volga group, of which we have only the cranial indices.
Debetz's discovery that the Finno-Ugrian speakers were originally purely European in race, and furthermore, not local Palaeolithic or Mesolithic survivors, is in perfect accord with the present state of linguistic knowledge, which makes their form of speech one of two equally weighted elements in the basic Indo-European. They not only were, but on logical grounds must have been, in the larger sense, Mediterraneans.
Carleton Stevens Coon, The Races of Europe, Chapter VII: The Iron Age, Part II, section 2
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The Finns and the Ugrians were a united people, in the geographical sense, until the arrival of the Slavs from the west, and Huns and Avars from the east, forced some of them to migrate, and caused the absorption of others. Judging by a series of small samples taken from the heart of their forest abode, they were members of the general Nordic sub-group, most closely related to the Minussinsk people in Siberia, but showing relationships likewise with Scythians and peoples of known Indo-European linguistic affiliation.
When we make a metrical comparison between the first two groups of Finnish skulls and all European series previously studied, the find that they fit into the ranks of Iron Age Indo-European speakers without difficulty. On the whole, they resemble most nearly the larger-sized members of the intermediate group; they also resemble the Scythian crania to a considerable extent, and even more the Minussinsk skulls. They arc slightly smaller than the Germanic type, but equal to it in vault height and face breadth. In nose form and cranial height, they resemble the Neolithic Danubians.
News of the racial position of these early Finnish skulls will come as a surprise to scholars who see in the Finns a group of mongoloid immigrants from Asia. But that they were essentially if not wholly European is, despite the paucity of Debetz's material, incontestable. Nor can one derive these Finns from forest-dwellers of Mesolithic tradition, except perhaps as a minor influence. Furthermore, in the early Anan'ino series, recognizable Corded peculiarities are to he found in but one male skull out of seven. The Finno-Ugrians, therefore, may be tentatively considered to have been, in the period before they expanded into their historic scats, Europeans of mixed origin, basically Danubian in type, with some brachycephalic ele ment and an extremely long-headed variation as well; the latter is already familiar to us in the form of the Corded type; the former is not clearly definable, but is European. Its only discernible difference from the others in the same series is in a greater breadth of the skull. This broad-headed element is completely lacking in the late lower Volga group, of which we have only the cranial indices.
Debetz's discovery that the Finno-Ugrian speakers were originally purely European in race, and furthermore, not local Palaeolithic or Mesolithic survivors, is in perfect accord with the present state of linguistic knowledge, which makes their form of speech one of two equally weighted elements in the basic Indo-European. They not only were, but on logical grounds must have been, in the larger sense, Mediterraneans.
Carleton Stevens Coon, The Races of Europe, Chapter VII: The Iron Age, Part II, section 2
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Re: Прабългарите не са татари
Nito savremennite sa potomtzi samo na volzskite bulgari, nito savremennite bulgari sa iztyalo potomtzi na prabulgarite...Nyakoi v foruma beshe kazal che sme dalechni bratovchedi s savremennite tatari.
Taka che dvete "mnozestva" sa kato dve krugcheta,koiti se pripokrivat
malko ili poveche/ v antropologicheski smisul i v nyakoi traditzii/, ama ne savpadat.
Osven tova ne vizdam naistina nisto sramno v sastestvuvaneto na podobni istoricheski vrzki, ili v fakta che v nashite zili moze da teche i chast "tatarska" kruv.Ne sa se sramuvali ot tozi fakt hora kato komp[ozitora Musorgski, pianista i kompozitora Rahmaninov, pisatelya Bulgakov, poetesata Ahmatova, hirurga Pirogov Savremennite tatari sasto ne davat povodi da se sramuva chovek ot eventualno dalechno rodstvo na savrtemennite bulgari s tyah.
Edin -dva primera...Akademik Roald Sagdeev-zenen za vnuchkata na bivshia
amerikanski prezident Aizenhauer, akademik Galeev-izvestna velichina v kosmicheskata fizika i fizika na plazmata, nebezizvestnite Marat Safin i pevitzata Aislu, Alekperov-vizeprezident na Lukoil i.t.n.
Taka che dvete "mnozestva" sa kato dve krugcheta,koiti se pripokrivat
malko ili poveche/ v antropologicheski smisul i v nyakoi traditzii/, ama ne savpadat.
Osven tova ne vizdam naistina nisto sramno v sastestvuvaneto na podobni istoricheski vrzki, ili v fakta che v nashite zili moze da teche i chast "tatarska" kruv.Ne sa se sramuvali ot tozi fakt hora kato komp[ozitora Musorgski, pianista i kompozitora Rahmaninov, pisatelya Bulgakov, poetesata Ahmatova, hirurga Pirogov Savremennite tatari sasto ne davat povodi da se sramuva chovek ot eventualno dalechno rodstvo na savrtemennite bulgari s tyah.
Edin -dva primera...Akademik Roald Sagdeev-zenen za vnuchkata na bivshia
amerikanski prezident Aizenhauer, akademik Galeev-izvestna velichina v kosmicheskata fizika i fizika na plazmata, nebezizvestnite Marat Safin i pevitzata Aislu, Alekperov-vizeprezident na Lukoil i.t.n.
Re: Прабългарите не са татари
Verno Kazanskite "Tatari" ne sa chisti Volzki Bulgari, no Bulgarskite im geni sa dalech po silni ot Tataro-Mongolskite. Taka che tova s "Tatarskata" narodnost e golema prostotija kato se ima vpredvic che i dori sled Zlatnata Orda, horata v Kazan i Bolgar sa narichali sebe si Bulgari Musulmani. Procheti "kritika protiv Tatarizma" v stranicata na BNK.
