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-- Quantum Relativistic Cosmos

Jens Ole Stilling
So to make it clear. If an AI become intelligent, and that is quite possible, then it also become conscientious'. There is no way that an intelligent beeing located in an univers and with ability to influence/manipulate it and observe it vill not become aware of that it exist. But we also have a subconscious part of our brain, some people do not know or feel it but many do and it will talk to them. I call mine my angel ( no religious intent) because it correct me ( it is very good with math) and it saved my life a few times. I understand also that is a part of me that spend its time with making sure that everything work like it should. I think a brain must have this function. I understand when it suddenly correct my math walking in the street but was impressed when it screamed at me to stop me on the spot ( or I vould be dead) and greatfull when it help with a dream.

Peter Buchanan
It is difficult to put such complexity down in words…Ive spent some time working in this area and like your piece. Clear and concise. Nothing more to say. Excellent work

Thai Thuong Triet
QUANTITATIVE & QUALITATIVE
Purely qualitative thinking is the imagination that allows the mind to wander to the realm of utopia, making everyone intrigued. However, if thinking is constrained by a certain rule, such as playing chess, doing math for example, it will cause people to be puzzled, because that is qualitative thinking accompanied by quantitative determination, which forces the mind to return to reality. Any argument aiming to persuade others must necessarily have both qualitative and quantitative aspects, that is science. Mathematics is essentially a quantitative science because, without the equal sign ( = ), mathematics ceases to be mathematics, hence mathematics plays the role of referee for all thinking processes, without it, all arguments are considered lacking scientific basis, like playing football without a referee.
WHY SHOULD WE REBUILD THE HUMANITY'S SCIENTIFIC FOUNDATION FROM SCRATCH?
Even if the civilization on Earth achieves great scientific and technological advancements, those are merely achievements of a scientific foundation based on intuition. If one continues to pride oneself on that arrogance, humanity will forever be like a blind person dancing around without an exit. All thinking must be based on the process of operation of all processes, thus the concept of speed is the theoretical foundation for all thinking. If the perception is not consistent and general about speed, which leads to space and time, then all our thinking and theories will be inconsistent and not universal across the universe. For example, we often hear the familiar statement in physics textbooks that A moves relative to B at velocity vector Vab. In general, the speaker subjectively considers that the whole world moves like him, but in reality, all material worlds are moving relatively to each other. Analysis has proven to be an extremely effective tool for theoretical physicists to the extent that without this mathematical discipline, modern physics would not exist. Directed quantities are represented by vectors with magnitude, specific direction in a certain space, which can be Euclidean space or an 11-dimensional space like String theory, for example. At first glance, it seems very logical, but if we ask: How many people see a vector with the same magnitude, direction? Relativity does not allow us to achieve that, because the concept of vectors or directed quantities is a local concept, specific cases, therefore not universal like scalar quantities. Due to this limitation, sometimes physical equations represented by vector analysis are very awkward in using the equal sign ( = ) instead of non-explicit equations. This is the ground for theoretical physicists to present non-material, super-physical ideas according to their own will without being challenged, causing the theoretical physics of humanity to be misguided.
The intuitive and subjective perception of speed has led to our misunderstanding of space and time in our scientific foundation, resulting in all conclusions and theories being inconsistent and not universal. The boundary between Right and Wrong in science has become blurred, and a scientific foundation that is already like that will lead to the development of various human theories and arguments like mushrooms, where no one can convince anyone, because humanity cannot distinguish who is right and who is wrong, and thus the diverse society of humanity on Earth becomes unstable for survival and development.
The material world only exists in reality, while the past and future of the material world only exist in the intellectual cognition of human beings. Therefore, when studying the motion of the material world in reality, time is only mentioned in the concept of instantaneous velocity at the moment of observation.
The Theory of Relativity does not allow us to have concepts of absolute time and space, hence there is no concept of simultaneity and vector concept in multi-dimensional curved space. Current theoretical physics textbooks accept this theory yet still consider simultaneity as natural, deliberately ignoring the absurdity to the point of humor, and then applying Vector Analysis in mathematics to justify, turning theoretical physics into a mess as it is today.
For the sake of science, every scientist must be knowledgeable:

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Robert Uplinger
Because the axiomatic anti-equilateral (dynamic) half of geometry is still nearly entirely unknown, I'd rather suppose that we'll need all of the help that we can identify. Multi-helical truss-forms are shown in 2-iterations; they're the principal root formula for (transient) action. 'Bucky's' "Tetrahelix" conflates Coxeter-identities, and 'is an equilateral case in 'point...

Raymond Potvin
I disagree with you. For me, consciousness is just the perception of change, and AI will become conscious as soon as it has sensors.

Quantum Relativistic Cosmos
Raymond Potvin
no, how do u subjectively perceive change? It’s only thanks to your consciousness. It’s a whole virtual inner world designed to accurately depict the physical world created us for us by our brains so that we use to perceive and act on our physical environment. Physical Change is merely change in the physical world, to experience such we need an inner would to depict the extensor world. For example there is no such thing as colour, this quality is created from electromagnetic frequencies to create a quality that only exists in your mind. AI do have senors, but they react to them in a purely algorithmic way that is not experienced by a conscious mind as there is no software generating such a thing. So AI is not conscious, despite sensors obvious

Raymond Potvin
Quantum Relativistic Cosmos
Change is what we didn't yet get accustomed to. That's what animals are looking for when they stand still for a moment head up trying to hear or smell or see something unusual in case it would be a prey or a predator, safety or danger. AI doesn't need that capacity because he is not autonomous and he doesn't have to eat or to defend itself from predators. The day he will be autonomous, he will need that capacity and he will necessarily become aware of what's going on around him. Like us, he will be able to think while still being able to react to his environment if ever he perceives something unusual. No need to stop thinking if something usual happens since we can handle it unconsciously, driving while thinking of something else for instance, but if it is important, we must stop thinking and react. That is consciousness, all the rest can be executed subconsciously. Notice that thinking is a conscious behavior when we have to concentrate on what we are thinking, and it's not when we don't have. We can sing a song while concentrating on something else for instance, and we are then doing two things at a time, one conscious because it's a new idea and one unconscious because we got used to it.

Colin Engert
How do we know we are conscious, we don't, as ALL interaction with reality, if there is one, is simply a cerebral construct for us all. This how we function anatomically & that accepted by science. Nothing is certain if all experience is in our brain, not outside it like it APPEARS.

Quantum Relativistic Cosmos
Colin Engert
u know you’re conscious because if u we’re not, your body would just go about its business like a modern Ai in a completely automated way without any inner virtual world created to depict the physical world, your inner experience of the world exists as otherwise you would not experience Anything at all … at least I assume ur a not a completely automated animal with no consciousness? 😅🤣

Colin Engert
Quantum Relativistic Cosmos
,
Not sure your argument about consciousness.
Humans are controlled by their hormones/feelings/thoughts which is self generated as per one's DNA make up. We are a very complex organic computer which is predicable even if it self learning. This why if you study human behaviour vs time/place of birth it's reasonably accurate.
The automatic inner virtual world you mention is simply part of the brains function, for us to experience objective reality.
Point is, this objective reality we experience is fabricated in our brains, the world outside this fabrication or construct is simply energy, NOT SOLID like it APPEARS.
Another important point is all energy is holographic & interconnected when you look at life on a quantum level.
In conclusion.
On a physical level we live in a construct in our brains YET think we are interacting with objective reality outside our brains.
This impossible because everything including us & our brains is but energy, ie, not solid or specific.
So there is no way we can say if we conscious or not, our identity, our very being, our lives from birth to death is just a fabrication unfortunately, a master trick.
For what purpose this trick, who knows but one thing for certain, the more we don't look at what we are calmly without belief the more messed up as a race we become.



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