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Тема Футурулогия:capitalism ’mutating’ infotech utopia? [re: Mod vege]
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Публикувано09.11.15 05:32  



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ANN PETTIFOR 6 November 2015

“He needs to take into greater account the impact of technology on both increased exploitation of labour and the dominance of the finance sector.” Review of Paul Mason’s ‘Post Capitalism: A Guide to Our Future’ (Allen Lane, 2015)


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This book is an intellectually exhilarating read. While I have reservations about Mason’s thesis, I would recommend Post Capitalism to anyone interested in history, political thought, the past, present and future of info-tech, and above all, the future of capitalism. Mason draws on thinkers as diverse as Karl Marx, Herbert Marcuse and the management guru, Peter Drucker. In searching for an understanding of how capitalism may progress from here, his book draws on, and spans, a range of disciplines – history, physics (the wave form) engineering (of aircraft turbofans), computer science, economics, and political and social theory.

All this, added to his skill as a writer and his knack of drawing on his own (and his grandmother’s) lived experience in northern working class Britain, results in a book that is passionate, rigorous and challenging. Regrettably he has not included a bibliography. That would have taken up many pages, as the breadth of his sources is remarkable. As a result he has added many volumes to my reading list.

Finally Mason outlines a vision that is not entirely improbable, but could also be defined as utopian. In this unequal and divided world, we need more utopians. So despite my own pessimism about his thesis, I do recommend that you read Mason’s book.

Capitalism’s mutations

Throughout the book Mason presents capitalism as an apparently abstract force, subject to cyclical “mutations” (a word that pops up frequently).

Mutation is a natural process that changes a DNA sequence in for example, a virus. So capitalism for Mason is like a virus that may mutate into a more benign, collective and collaborative form of human activity.

By defining capitalism in this way, Mason does not attempt to identify and differentiate between the forces, or groups of individuals driving capitalism. Are they today’s oligopolists? Are they the drivers behind for example, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple? Are they organized in for example, the Bilderberg group and do they visit Davos each year? Or can they be found in Wall St, Frankfurt and the City of London? Mason keeps us in the dark. In fact insofar as he has a preoccupation with capitalists, it is with a particular group: industrial capitalists engaged in tangible and intangible modes of production, namely infotech.

Interestingly, while the working class in Mason’s account exercises agency over capitalism – resisting wage cuts, adapting to technology, organizing around technological change – capitalism’s dominant class appears not to have such power. Instead “it” – capitalism - is subject to underlying forces. “It” “adapts and morphs” into fifty-year patterns or mutations that rise and fall in long waves of capital investment in accordance with Kondratieff’s theory of long waves.

“Capitalism’s tendency” Mason writes “is not to collapse, but rather, to mutate.” (p.34)

There is one period, and one chapter in the book (Chapter 4) in which Mason acknowledges that capitalism, in particular the finance sector, was once subdued. This is the post-war period, known to most economists as the Golden Age of Economics. Mason acknowledges (p.81) that:

“the crucial factor that underpinned economic reality in the 1950s and 60s was a stable international currency system, and the effective suppression of financial markets.”

He notes:

“strict limits on bank leverage were imposed by law and ‘moral suasion – quiet pressure from central banks on banks that lent too much. ...The result created a form of capitalism that was profoundly national. Banks and pension funds were required by law to hold the debt of their own countries; and they were discouraged from making cross-border financial trades. Add to that an explicit ceiling on interest rates and you have what we now call ‘financial repression’.”

“Financial repression” as PRIME’s Jeremy Smith , is self-evidently a metaphor and a pejorative one at that. Someone or something is kept down by the repressor evoking mental images such as tanks crushing peaceful demonstrations, or robber barons “capturing” or “stealing” your money. Which is why Mason’s use of it is unfortunate.

The term was first coined in 1973 by two Stanford University economists, and Edward Shaw. Later “Hot Money Flows, Commodity Price Cycles, and Financial Repression in the US and the People’s Republic of China” (January 2013) co-authored with Zhao Liu, McKinnon explains its origin:

In the 1970s, the term financial repression originated with McKinnon and Shaw when inflation was a problem in a number of less developed countries (LDCs). In the 1960s and 1970s, governments in many LDCs intervened to put ceilings on nominal interest rates and impose high reserve requirements on their banks, along with other techniques to direct the flow of credit in the economy... Wanting to find a pejorative term —akin to political repression — to describe this syndrome, McKinnon and Shaw first used the term financial repression in 1973. (My emphasis).

Many orthodox economists followed McKinnon and Shaw in using “financial repression” as a concept. Only a few economists challenged it: for example Carlos Diaz-Alejandro, in a 1984 paper with the great title “Good-bye financial repression, hello financial crash”.

It is disappointing therefore to find it in widespread use amongst progressive economists and commentators.

But I quibble. My main beef with Mason’s book is that rather than define this period as one that was man-made – designed largely by the genius John Maynard Keynes and his Cambridge colleagues – Mason defines this period as a “Kondratieff upswing on steroids”.

Once again the implication is that this period of full employment, of science-led innovation, high productivity...high wages, consumption keeping pace with production, benign inflation and marginal speculative finance (p 86-7) is described as something beyond human agency – akin to the cycles of the moon.

Neoliberals too like to dismiss this age as beyond our present-day ken. Neoliberals too would like us to feel impotent in the face of today’s rapacious financial capitalism.

But as the Golden Age proved, we are not impotent. And we are not the subjects of periodic, abstract cycles. The Golden Age was constructed, designed and implemented by a group of economists who congregated at Bretton Woods in 1944 and that were led by John Maynard Keynes and his American competitor, Harry Dexter White. (The striking thing about the conference was that only one banker was allowed to attend – and only because President Roosevelt regarded him as tame enough not to present a threat to the proceedings.)

Keynes and colleagues were confronted by a form of capitalism that had wrought a massive destruction of lives, livelihoods and nations. They were surrounded by the wreckage of war, but were not intimidated by the scale of the challenge they faced in confronting, subordinating and managing global finance capitalism.

Nor should we be. We are not, as Mason suggests, the passive subjects of inexorable and inevitable cycles or Kondratieff waves of capitalism. We are masters of our own destiny – if only we (and professional economists) had the courage to identify, name, subordinate and manage the global finance sector – as Keynes and others have shown we can.

Mason and the notion of profits

Mason makes frequent mention of profits in Post Capitalism. But profits are a very old- fashioned notion for today’s capitalists. Profits from production involve engagement with the Land (in the broadest sense of the word) and Labour. Engagement with the Land implies limits – the ecosystem’s limits. Mason’s optimism about technology’s role in our future means that he never fully grasps the nettle of ecological limits. While there is the obligatory chapter on climate change and the ecosystem, the assumption is that technology will evolve in such a way as to never bump up against these limits.

Instead he focuses on Labour’s confrontation with Capital.

But to my mind, both the ecosystem’s limits and Labour’s resistance to exploitation explain why capitalism today prefers to make capital gains, not profits. Profits rise and fall depending on the vagaries of Land and Labour. Capital gains by contrast evade both, and can rise inexorably – until that is, they crash. Capital gains - money or rent siphoned from money and other existing assets – can be made effortlessly in effect; and increasingly, without risk.

[And while on the question of profits: Mason, like many Marxists asserts (but never proves) that capitalism periodically suffers from “a falling rate of profit”. I have great difficulty with this concept. It can never be tested or proved, but references to “the falling rate of profit’ recur throughout the book, and indeed throughout much of contemporary Marxist debate. Michael Hudson argues that it’s a misunderstanding of Marx by those who have only read Vol I of Capital. Marx expected depreciation and amortization on investment in capital equipment to rise relative to profits, in order to reimburse that investment. That is what he meant by the falling rate of profit, writes Hudson – an interpretation that seems infinitely more plausible to me.]

Identifying capitalism

We are discussing Mason’s book here in St. Paul’s - Wren’s great masterpiece – in the heart of the City of London. We are literally in the belly of the global financial beast – a sector or group of individuals and institutions – that now wields despotic power over the global economy, governments and apparently democratic societies.

And while societies are on the whole aware of the activities of the City and Wall St, there is scant discourse about its despotic power within today’s political discourse.

And, while Mason does of course discuss the finance sector, he makes infotech the main driver of the changes we are witnessing today.

I beg to disagree. Far from ‘mutating’ in cycles of 50 to 500 years, the finance sector is today growing exponentially before our very eyes, with only the occasional financial crisis to arrest that growth. This is partly thanks to the rise of infotech, but infotech in the service of finance, not as its driver.

The last financial crisis (2007-9) turbo-blasted the sector into a new fantastic growth phase. Not only was Haute Finance bailed out, it also insidiously attached itself more fully to states – and wrested guarantees and protection from these governments, their taxpayers and their central banks.

And while this particular group of capitalists may worship at the shrine of Adam Smith and Ayn Rand, they nevertheless demand and expect taxpayer-funded guarantees and protection from the discipline and losses imposed by market forces.

Despite its detachment from the “real” economy of production, the global finance sector has succeeded in capturing, effectively looting and then subordinating governments and their taxpayers to the interests of financiers. Bankers and financiers now effectively control the public utility that is our monetary system. They can gamble and speculate on global markets without fear of losses or the fear of being disciplined by ‘the invisible hand’. They know their institutions are Too Systemic, or Too Big To Fail.

They are today’s Masters of the Universe – and they do not feature largely in this book.

Finance and the rentier economy

Like so many others Mason takes the structure of the internet as a model for the evolution of capitalism and speculates that capitalism will evolve into a system in which hierarchies are flattened, machines are free and we’re all far more collaborative.

But Mason’s techno-utopianism is fundamentally about the production side of the economy. Yet, as he well knows, there is more to the economy than production. There is consumption – and Mason’s view of today’s sharing, networked and connected world may just as well be defined as collaborative consumption.

And then there’s the rentier sector of the economy – earning rent from assets (particularly financial assets like debt) effortlessly.

The last two sectors are not fully addressed in the wide sweep of this book.

It is for this reason that I believe Mason to be over-optimistic about the transformational power of info-tech. Where he sees technology “eroding the price mechanism” by generating reams of free information – in Wikipedia, crowd-sourcing, open source software – I see usury, behind very high pay walls.

Pay walls that have now barred most football and cricket fans from experiencing or enjoying in person top-level public sporting events. Pay walls that will exclude millions of people from accessing sound, investigative and balanced journalism, until recently easily available (for just a dime or two) on street corners.

Where Mason sees the “economics of free stuff” and the mass generation and sharing of information, I see the not-so-distant privatization of a great provider of “free” information, education and culture to the masses – the BBC. Let’s not beat about the bush: the BBC is under grave threat: if the government succeeds, the BBC’s precious output will be trapped behind the ever-rising paywalls of today’s media moguls – and like mass sporting events, will no longer be available to the taxpayers who have funded its development.

Where Mason sees the networked society, I also see Uber and Airbnb monetizing (with monopolistic aspiration). As Henwood tells it:

“the desperation of people in the post-crisis economy while sounding generous and evoking a fantasy of community in an atomized population.”

“Brian Chesky, the co-founder of Airbnb, uses words like “revolution” and “movement” to describe his company, which is now valued at $13 billion— making Airbnb the best-capitalized revolutionary movement in history. (My emphasis.)
(Doug Henwood, , 27 January, 2015.)


Where Mason sees a ‘a new mode of production’ – I also see a global rentier economy that is almost universal.

Mason shares with us Marx’s insight from his 1858 Fragment on Machines in Grundrisse, namely that:

“the driving force of production is knowledge, and that knowledge stored in machines is social...and that because knowledge-based capitalism cannot support a price mechanism whereby the value of something is dictated by the value of the inputs needed to produce it...it creates a contradiction that will blow capitalism’s foundation sky-high.” P.136

Capitalism of this type, Marx argued, is forced to develop the intellectual power of the worker, and will tend to reduce working hours.

Capitalism did not, as Mason notes, bear out this proposition in Marx’s time; I would argue there is no sign of it bearing out this proposition today.

Yes, it is true that we live in a world where, as Mason argues, new technology makes information and leisure time more available to the masses. In this world many have their “general intellect” expanded but cannot deploy this knowledge by working for a living – because the work is simply not there.

The ILO predicts that by 2019, more than 212 million people will be out of work, up from the current tragedy of 201 million. ( (WESO).)

Today unemployment in Europe and the Middle East – particularly amongst the young - is at historically unprecedented (and unforgiveable) levels. The social and ecological turmoil this causes is reflected in the rise of far-right parties across Europe, in Middle Eastern turmoil and in the monumental tragedy of the current refugee crisis. And even in the US and UK where employment levels are deemed to be higher, much of the working class is engaged in work that is insecure, precarious and low paid, with erratic levels of income. In the UK, almost six million workers are paid less than the living wage, the Living Wage Foundation.

There are of course some that have been liberated by technology, and for whom it is now increasingly unfashionable to work for a living. Instead they prefer earnings from effortless activity: rent-seeking.

Where Mason sees “beautiful troublemakers” and “digital rebels” I also see individuals “sharing” their cars (assets) with passing strangers and using technology in order to extract rent from benighted commuters, while cutting the already low incomes of cabbies and for example, . . Under this new form of exploitative capitalism “all the risk and capital investment are shouldered by the driver, while the fat cats at Uber and Lyft headquarters in San Francisco reap a risk-free reward”. (Dillow: ?

Travis Kalanick, Uber’s billionaire owner uses what Mason calls the “free machines” and open source software of digital technology to exploit the desperation of this precariat – car owners selling car rides. that the company has entered into a deal with a money-lender, Santander, because:

“You need a newish car to drive for Uber; if your car gets too old, that’s grounds for deactivation. But the company is ready to help: it’s entered into a partnership with Santander, a Spanish bank, to offer car loans to drivers, with the payments conveniently deducted from their paycheck. According to the terms posted on , a chat board for drivers, the payments work out to an interest rate of around 21 percent. They get you coming and going.”

This is not so much sharing, as a modern version of “sharecropping”.

But Uber’s gains are small beer compared to the rents that can be extracted by the global real estate sector: those choosing to inflate an existing asset without adding to its value; or to “share” their property with those who lack the resources to buy a home. London’s rentier economy is booming. More and more people are jumping on the rentier bandwagon, as is evident in the buy-to-let sector.

According to , average UK rent for dwellings has reached about £937 per month. It now costs an average £2,583 a month to take on a rented property in central London. By contrast, London average regular monthly earnings (as of April, 2014) were £2,860.00 before tax and other deductions, according to the ONS. ( , 2014 Provisional Results)

The world of the rentier capitalist has been to some extent “democratised’. Large numbers of us now expect to make money effortlessly – whether from the Lottery and other forms of speculation; or by extracting rent from any asset we may own – whether it be a car, a buy-to-let property or a dog. (There are (“simple, affordable (sic) and safe”) ...which involve fees and subscriptions.)

But by far the most leisure-obsessed group or class are those – for me the dominant force behind today’s capitalist class - who can use an asset that is a great public utility – money – to make more money, effortlessly.

In contrast to industrial or productive capital, bank loans, stocks and bonds are financial claims that are “like sponges absorbing the income and property of debtors – and expropriating this property when debtors (including governments) cannot pay” to cite Hudson again. Marx elaborated:

“Usury centralizes money wealth. It does not alter the mode of production, but attaches itself to it as a parasite and makes it miserable. It sucks its blood, kills its nerve, and compels reproduction to proceed under even more disheartening conditions...usurer’s capital does not confront the labourer as industrial capital...but impoverishes this mode of production, paralyzes the productive forces instead of developing them.” (Quoted in Michael Hudson, . July, 2010)

Unfortunately the activities and usury of today’s rentier capitalism are not analysed and discussed in this otherwise fascinating book. But here in the temple that is St. Paul’s, we have an obligation to act, as Jesus did, to chase the money-lenders from the temple that is our economy and democracy. Furthermore we have an obligation, as President Roosevelt said in his remarkable inaugural address in 1933:

“....to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly.
Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our
country today....
Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand
indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the
hearts and minds of men....
Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the
lending of more money. ...
They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers.
They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people
perish.
The money changers have fled from their high seats in the
temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple
to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in
the extent to which we apply social values more noble than
mere monetary profit.”
(President Franklin D. Roosevelt: . 4 March, 1933.)


Conclusion

Paul Mason in Post-Capitalism opens our eyes to the positive contribution that the evolution of technology can make to civilisation. His vision of a post-capitalist era is inspiring, but needs to take into greater account the impact of technology on both increased exploitation of labour and the dominance of the finance sector.


This article was published in on November 3, 2015, after a speech given at St.Paul’s Cathedral with Paul Mason and Phillip Blond as fellow speakers.



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. * Pазработване на алтернативни методи заместващи ... Mod vege   18.11.15 19:29
. * A glass of red wine is the equivalent to exercise Mod vege   26.11.15 19:00
. * Филмът „Кравоспирация“ online + факти Mod vege   30.11.15 02:07
. * Re: Филмът „Кравоспирация“ online + факти ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   30.11.15 05:10
. * Food sharing / Всеобщият хладилник Mod vege   18.12.15 05:50
. * Интервю с Julie Rosenfield за изминалия веган фест Mod vege   18.12.15 07:26
. * Тайната на японското дълголетие Mod vege   19.12.15 03:54
. * A. Schwarzenegger: lets put climate change aside.. Mod vege   23.12.15 08:36
. * We want Arni for King of the World Цар Из род   23.12.15 18:53
. * ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER VEGAN REACTION Mod vege   24.12.15 02:29
. * Много на пропаганда бичи това. Цар Из род   24.12.15 17:52
. * Pеалност Mod vege   24.12.15 22:48
. * Re: Pеалност Цар Из род   25.12.15 16:10
. * Re: Pеалност Mod vege   26.12.15 00:43
. * Re: Pеалност Цар Из род   26.12.15 02:13
. * Re: Pеалност Mod vege   26.12.15 03:18
. * Re: Pеалност Цар Из род   26.12.15 03:53
. * Re: Pеалност Mod vege   26.12.15 04:15
. * СПИСАНИЕ 8: Гурме за вегани Mod vege   24.12.15 02:23
. * Re: СПИСАНИЕ 8: Гурме за вегани ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   24.12.15 19:37
. * Re: СПИСАНИЕ 8: Гурме за вегани Mod vege   24.12.15 20:55
. * Re: СПИСАНИЕ 8: Гурме за вегани ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   25.12.15 18:42
. * Re: СПИСАНИЕ 8: Гурме за вегани Mod vege   25.12.15 19:58
. * В България вече има Зоополиция Mod vege   24.12.15 06:02
. * Изложбата Животински Холокост на Джо Фредерикс Mod vege   02.01.16 09:54
. * Re: Изложбата Животински Холокост на Джо Фредерикс ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   02.01.16 20:10
. * Мълчаливият отказ на българина да търси медицинска Mod vege   02.01.16 10:30
. * Veganism is Capitalism in practice Mod vege   06.01.16 23:14
. * ЛЕЧЕБНАТА СИЛА НА СЛЪНЦЕТО Mod vege   07.01.16 01:07
. * Изхвърлете вредните козметични продукти от банята Mod vege   07.01.16 01:22
. * 30 от най-въздействащите екологични кампании Mod vege   07.01.16 07:34
. * Omega-3 conversion-3 times better with coconut oil Mod vege   09.01.16 03:01
. * за това ли ги слагат в сиренето ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   10.01.16 05:22
. * Реалистична статия: Eating Right Can Save theWorld Mod vege   13.01.16 07:45
. * Жестокост над животните-огледало на действителност Mod vege   13.01.16 21:46
. * д-р ОЛЕГ ТОРСУНОВ в България - семинар "Развитие.. Mod vege   20.01.16 01:27
. * EPA Finally Admitted: Popular Pesticide Kills Bees Mod vege   23.01.16 02:13
. * за чий са им пчели на веганите ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   23.01.16 19:23
. * Re: за чий са им пчели на веганите Mod vege   24.01.16 03:35
. * Re: за чий са им пчели на веганите ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   24.01.16 22:39
. * Мда Mod vege   24.01.16 22:46
. * a веганите са се появили още преди това ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   25.01.16 07:02
. * КУЧЕШКИЯТ ПРИЮТ В СЕСЛАВЦИ СЕ Е ПРЕВЪРНАЛ В КОНЦЛА Mod vege   27.01.16 03:55
. * Re: КУЧЕШКИЯТ ПРИЮТ В СЕСЛАВЦИ СЕ Е ПРЕВЪРНАЛ В КОНЦЛА Aulus Vitellius Celsus   29.01.16 17:39
. * Re: КУЧЕШКИЯТ ПРИЮТ В СЕСЛАВЦИ СЕ Е ПРЕВЪРНАЛ В КОНЦЛА Mod vege   31.01.16 04:43
. * глупости ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   02.02.16 19:41
. * Тревожните ефекти на химиотерапията разкрити Mod vege   03.02.16 13:00
. * СВИНСКА МАС ИЛИ КРАВЕ МАСЛО? - Д-р Гайдурков Mod vege   17.02.16 01:12
. * Veganer haben seltener Krebs und leben laenger... Mod vege   25.02.16 04:28
. * Човекът феномен, който живя 256 години Mod vege   27.02.16 18:37
. * Храните, които не трябва да държим в хладилник Mod vege   29.02.16 14:20
. * КРАТКА ИСТОРИЯ НА СТЕВИЯ Mod vege   01.03.16 01:11
. * Fasting for three days can regenerate entire immun Mod vege   02.03.16 04:09
. * Създайте вкусна био-градинка с 12-те стъпки Mod vege   02.03.16 05:56
. * Д-р Папазова: Ядeм изключитeлнo кoмпpoмeтиpaнa хp Mod vege   02.03.16 19:26
. * Re: Д-р Папазова: Ядeм изключитeлнo кoмпpoмeтиpaнa хp Aulus Vitellius Celsus   18.03.16 18:35
. * Re: Д-р Папазова: Ядeм изключитeлнo кoмпpoмeтиpaнa хp Mod vege   24.03.16 19:04
. * Re: Д-р Папазова: Ядeм изключитeлнo кoмпpoмeтиpaнa хp Aulus Vitellius Celsus   28.03.16 14:19
. * Благо Джиев: Остана ми да работя за едната чест Mod vege   14.03.16 09:49
. * Ако човек овладee дишането си, той става господар Mod vege   14.03.16 10:11
. * ГМО – митове и противоречия Mod vege   14.03.16 22:37
. * Разобличен мит - сваляне на очила чрез трениране.. Mod vege   15.03.16 14:09
. * Рецепта за веган чийзкейк без печене Mod vege   16.03.16 13:44
. * Рецепта за барчета с ядки (бърза) Mod vege   08.04.16 04:58
. * How Nature Can Make You Kinder, Happier, Creative Mod vege   18.03.16 00:41
. * Ако хората станат вегетарианци Mod vege   23.03.16 00:56
. * ха ха ха ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   24.03.16 04:28
. * Re: ха ха ха Mod vege   24.03.16 18:59
. * Вчера (22.03.16) бе Световният ден на водата. Mod vege   23.03.16 01:26
. * Борете рака чрез гладуване Mod vege   23.03.16 10:55
. * АРМАНИ казва "НЕ" на кожата с косъм! Mod vege   24.03.16 19:06
. * Как да премахнем вредните химикали от плодовете.. Mod vege   26.03.16 01:55
. * ПОСТИТЕ – ВРЕМЕТО, В КОЕТО МОЖЕМ ДА ОЗДРАВЕЕМ Mod vege   26.03.16 02:38
. * Може ли начинът на хранене да промени генет. съдба Mod vege   29.03.16 02:12
. * Media Got a Study About Vegetarianism Really Wrong Mod vege   03.04.16 02:50
. * Как вредим на околната среда, без да подозираме Mod vege   04.04.16 20:13
. * .. първата вода на боба? - Д-р Гайдурков Mod vege   04.04.16 20:29
. * Безплатен хляб от лимец даряват благодетели ... Mod vege   05.04.16 00:45
. * това още римските императори са го правили ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   05.04.16 07:01
. * К. Терзийски:Вегетарианството не е мода,a еволюция Mod vege   05.04.16 21:34
. * Oh, Bulgaria?!… Stoichkov! Mod vege   06.04.16 02:17
. * Митът за въглехидратите и захарите Mod vege   08.04.16 04:15
. * Mitochondria as Chi Mod vege   09.04.16 01:12
. * Re: Mitochondria as Chi NVJ   12.04.16 11:02
. * Re: Mitochondria as Chi Mod vege   13.04.16 01:09
. * Science Finally Proves Meridians Exist Mod vege   21.04.16 23:36
. * Industrial farming is one of the worst crimes ever Mod vege   13.04.16 00:53
. * Продължителното седене става по-опасно от пушенето Mod vege   13.04.16 01:03
. * Vegganism: Why some vegans eat eggs Mod vege   13.04.16 16:36
. * Вредна ли е наистина оксаловата киселина? Mod vege   14.04.16 11:12
. * Amazon tribe creates 500-page medicine encyclopedi Mod vege   19.04.16 05:10
. * Летен Веган Фестивал - 23-26 юни във Варна Mod vege   20.04.16 20:33
. * 22 април: Денят на Земята Mod vege   22.04.16 13:27
. * Scientists suggest that cancer is man-made Mod vege   22.04.16 13:46
. * още една опасна болест ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   22.04.16 18:47
. * Най-богатият човек в Индия спира продажбата намесo Mod vege   23.04.16 13:33
. * отвратително ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   23.04.16 19:42
. * Не разбрах.. Mod vege   23.04.16 21:00
. * Veganism Could Feed the World With Zero Deforestat Mod vege   23.04.16 23:02
. * 11 научни причини да прекарвате време сред природa Mod vege   24.04.16 01:43
. * Debunking the Paleo Myth - Dr. Barnard Mod vege   27.04.16 04:44
. * Как да замразяваме правилно! Mod vege   27.04.16 18:33
. * Коя храна с кое лекарство не върви? Mod vege   29.04.16 15:21
. * Невероятната история на Емануил Ангелов-излекуван Mod vege   02.05.16 00:59
. * Защо амишите нямат ракови заболявания ? Mod vege   07.05.16 04:25
. * Rifkin on Climate Change and Diet BIOSPHERE ... Mod vege   05.05.16 10:20
. * What Every Vegan Needs to Know to Optimize theDiet Mod vege   06.05.16 08:02
. * Interview: Lubomir Stoyanov on Veganism Mod vege   07.05.16 00:17
. * This Future Of Meat Infographic-do you want childr Mod vege   10.05.16 06:08
. * КОЖАТА Е МЪРТВА / FUR IS DEAD Procession Mod vege   12.05.16 13:03
. * 77 supplements Kurzweil takes daily to live 4 ever Mod vege   14.05.16 15:34
. * майкъл джексън като спеше в барокамера... ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   14.05.16 19:55
. * Re: Kurzweil Mod vege   15.05.16 04:23
. * Vegans Are More Empathetic, Neurologically Speakin Mod vege   16.05.16 08:03
. * ТЕСТ Краве сирене (2016) Mod vege   19.05.16 17:34
. * Scientists Reveal New Findings for Reversing Early Mod vege   20.05.16 07:31
. * New Alzheimer’s treatment fully restores memory Mod vege   20.05.16 08:36
. * Новият Дарвинизъм: На какво прилича еволюцията... Mod vege   20.05.16 07:42
. * Болните в България – с най-малък шанс! Mod vege   20.05.16 21:06
. * HOW LIVING NEAR THE SEA CAN IMPROVE YOU (MENTALLY) Mod vege   27.05.16 13:49
. * Meet the Minds Behind Lab-Grown Burgers Mod vege   29.05.16 21:51
. * 29.03 бе Световният ден на глада Mod vege   03.06.16 20:39
. * Chinas dietary guidelines to reduce meat consumpti Mod vege   05.06.16 01:27
. * Животинските клетки са способни да усвояват светли Mod vege   05.06.16 17:30
. * Climate Change: The Bigger Picture Mod vege   05.06.16 21:14
. * Да белим ли краставицата? Mod vege   07.06.16 17:18
. * Моя милост: V-знак за вегe храни Mod vege   09.06.16 13:41
. * Pyмъния зaдължи чyждecтpaнни вepиги дa пpoдaвaт... Mod vege   12.06.16 17:02
. * Народен лечител: болеститe не съществуват ! Mod vege   16.06.16 18:21
. * уж си образован човек ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   16.06.16 18:50
. * Re: Народен лечител: болеститe не съществуват ! finntroll73   17.06.16 12:50
. * Re: Народен лечител: болеститe не съществуват ! Mod vege   17.06.16 21:33
. * Re: Народен лечител: болеститe не съществуват ! finntroll73   20.06.16 19:22
. * Google Predicts a Plant-Based Revolution! Mod vege   17.06.16 20:18
. * Пагубното влияние на животновъдството върху околна Mod vege   18.06.16 13:58
. * Re: Пагубното влияние на животновъдството върху околна Aulus Vitellius Celsus   21.06.16 15:14
. * ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Mod vege   22.06.16 05:39
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето finntroll73   22.06.16 15:16
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Mod vege   22.06.16 20:58
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Aulus Vitellius Celsus   22.06.16 16:34
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Mod vege   22.06.16 20:52
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Aulus Vitellius Celsus   23.06.16 18:47
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Mod vege   24.06.16 06:40
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Aulus Vitellius Celsus   24.06.16 17:01
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Mod vege   25.06.16 00:37
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето Aulus Vitellius Celsus   27.06.16 15:06
. * Re: ЕК и ООН са на мнение различно от твоето ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   25.06.16 18:31
. * Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. Mod vege   22.06.16 13:36
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. finntroll73   22.06.16 15:18
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. Mod vege   22.06.16 20:52
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   23.06.16 22:43
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. Mod vege   24.06.16 06:35
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   24.06.16 17:05
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. Mod vege   25.06.16 00:34
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   25.06.16 07:00
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. Mod vege   27.06.16 07:06
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   27.06.16 23:58
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. NVJ   07.07.16 10:06
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   07.07.16 16:51
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   25.06.16 18:34
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. NVJ   30.06.16 09:43
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   30.06.16 18:26
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. NVJ   05.07.16 11:44
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   05.07.16 16:54
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. NVJ   07.07.16 10:31
. * Re: Самодостатъчно село само си произвежда енергия и.. |   07.07.16 16:46
. * 24 Diagrams To Help You Eat Healthier Mod vege   23.06.16 06:58
. * UN Conference Adopts Global Education Action Agend Mod vege   27.06.16 06:57
. * Bottled water found to contain over 24,000 chemica Mod vege   02.07.16 17:17
. * Отзвук от Летния Веган Фестивал във Варна Mod vege   10.07.16 03:43
. * Countries with deadliest air pollution (BG: No. 2) Mod vege   10.07.16 04:22
. * Яжте през ден за дълъг живот Mod vege   14.07.16 17:45
. * Re: Яжте през ден за дълъг живот |   14.07.16 21:28
. * Re: Яжте през ден за дълъг живот Mod vege   15.07.16 05:10
. * Re: Яжте през ден за дълъг живот |   15.07.16 16:11
. * Re: Яжте през ден за дълъг живот Mod vege   17.07.16 22:36
. * Re: Яжте през ден за дълъг живот |   18.07.16 15:40
. * Ловът на хора ще бъде легализиран, прогнозират фут Mod vege   18.07.16 14:53
. * Re: Ловът на хора ще бъде легализиран, прогнозират фут ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   18.07.16 18:47
. * Изграждане на напълно самоподдържаща се къща Mod vege   19.07.16 02:16
. * Re: Изграждане на напълно самоподдържаща се къща |   19.07.16 22:23
. * Re: Изграждане на напълно самоподдържаща се къща Mod vege   26.07.16 01:01
. * Отново за хляба (хляб от лимец) от д-р Гайдурков Mod vege   20.07.16 22:53
. * Насекомите като храна: Българка отглежда щурци... Mod vege   21.07.16 00:27
. * Ксеноестрогените – заплаха за бъдещите поколения? Mod vege   21.07.16 00:30
. * Клонираното месо - "Super meat" Mod vege   21.07.16 02:00
. * STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” Mod vege   21.07.16 05:29
. * Re: STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   21.07.16 18:40
. * Re: STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” Mod vege   26.07.16 01:04
. * Re: STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   26.07.16 18:45
. * Re: STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” Mod vege   27.07.16 01:56
. * Re: STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” |   27.07.16 16:43
. * Re: STOP CALLING VEGAN FOOD “CRUELTY-FREE” Mod vege   27.07.16 17:48
. * Минералната вода в България–къде коя какво лекувa? Mod vege   27.07.16 01:51
. * ООН призовава за данък върху производството намесo Mod vege   27.07.16 16:22
. * Oнлайн докладите от тазгодишния VegMed Mod vege   27.07.16 17:46
. * Being vegan isn’t as environmentally friendly as.. Mod vege   05.08.16 07:29
. * B12 and Non-Human Animals Mod vege   05.08.16 07:35
. * Саудитска Арабия разреши на мъжете да ядат жените Mod vege   07.08.16 22:14
. * Plants Communicate Using An Internet of Fungi Mod vege   08.08.16 08:05
. * после разправяй колко било етично да ядеш растения ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   08.08.16 18:31
. * Човек по природа е плодояд, а не растителнояд. Mod vege   09.08.16 06:01
. * Re: Човек по природа е плодояд, а не растителнояд. ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   09.08.16 18:49
. * Re: Човек по природа е плодояд, а не растителнояд. Tom_cat   09.08.16 21:45
. * поне не смятам че съм котарак ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   10.08.16 03:30
. * Re: поне не смятам че съм котарак Tom_cat   10.08.16 18:02
. * Ако ядеш плодове, не ядеш растенията Mod vege   10.08.16 15:22
. * Тц, не е Black Wolf   11.08.16 14:47
. * Re: Тц, не е Mod vege   13.08.16 08:52
. * Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян Mod vege   10.08.16 15:51
. * Re: Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   10.08.16 18:12
. * Re: Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян Mod vege   11.08.16 13:23
. * Re: Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   11.08.16 18:05
. * Re: Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян Mod vege   13.08.16 08:46
. * Re: Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян ~@!$^%*amp;()_+   13.08.16 19:47
. * Re: Колко планети са нужни, за да продължим без промян Mod vege   14.08.16 12:59
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