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Клубове Дирене Регистрация Кой е тук Въпроси Списък Купувам / Продавам 11:19 17.05.24 
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Тема Re: Nonsense [re: Yassen]
АвторKent (Нерегистриран) 
Публикувано02.10.03 22:28  



Spomenite mi sa ve4e neto4ni, no legendata glasi, che Ian Anderson reshava vuv vtoria konceptualen album na Jethro sled "Thick As A Brick"da izsledva temite za zhivota/smurtta, kato preobrushta malko postanovkata : zhivotut = na chistilishte predi smurtta ? I natupkva za uzhas na kriticite celia album s nonsense biseri, za da im pili na nervite i do dnes Angliiskia nonsense kakto e izvestno igrae roliata na ezopov ezik za izkazvaneto na universalni istini (Mecho Puh e klasikata v zhanra), problemut e che vsichko e zakodirano pod cial edin plast absurden humor. Tuk mlukvam zashtoto useshtam, che shte nagazia v sushtia kriticheski "batak".
Nai-vazhnoto e che tulkuvaniata na izmislenite scenki v angliiskia nensense mogat da sa nai-razlichni i ne po-malko - pravdopodobni

Za teksta na edna ot pesnite v albuma Jethro puskat obiava za konkurs vuv vestnicite. Pecheli go razkazut na edin tretoklasnik - "The Rabbit Who Lost Its Glasses".

A eto po-nadolu kakuv kupon se vihri i do dnes v kritikata otnosno tozi tekst Kakto vinagi, pod vola e namereno ne tele ami cial zhiraf :))
Za tezi koito imat nervi da go iz4etat :


One of the commonest criticisms of 'A Passion Play' is that there's a childish, 'nonsense' piece inserted between Acts Two and Three, which bears no relation to the rest of The Play. In 1973 concerts, the band left the stage after Act Two and a filmed version of 'The Hare...' was shown; this is now available on the 25th Anniversary video.

So why was it included?
The usual explanation, generally accepted but unconfirmed, is that it reflects the structure of a genuine mediaeval Passion Play. Such productions were (are) punctuated by comic interludes; relief from the deadly seriousness of the main play.
'behling57' suggests that the practice extends back to Classical Greece, and I'm aware of similar devices in Shakespeare, but such cases tend to be incorporated into the main plot. I think the key point about the interval of a Passion Play is that the comic piece need not relate to the main story at all. In the highly religious mediaeval plays, the interludes were often secular, even bordering on pagan. This is reflected (presumably deliberately, though I have no confirmation) in the film shown at concerts, with a horned narrator, a maypole and other pagan imagery.

At the natural break in a LP recording (i.e. the point where the listener needs to turn the album over), and in the context of a stage play (reinforced by the album sleeve), a brief interval makes sense. On a more pragmatic level, the interval was presumably included in live performances to give the band a rest and toilet break!


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The Lyrics
The full lyrics, accompanied by a transcript of how they fitted into the film, are here.



'The Hare...' is very reminiscent of A.A. Milne's 'Winnie the Pooh' stories, especially in featuring an owl, a kangaroo and a rabbit (not a hare). However, I feel Kangaroo was included primarily for the '...can, Guru,...' pun.


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'The Hare...' was developed into a children's book in 2002, by New York artist Michael Korb. His project is viewable here, though he does not yet have a print publisher - can you help?


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Who is the Hare, anyway?
As usual, a potentially more 'profound' interpretation can be drawn from 'The Hare...'. Andy Jackson makes a persuasive argument for the identity of the metaphorical Hare: Jeffrey himself. "I see the story of the Hare is a kind of allegory of Jeffrey's youth as a highly-introverted potential artist at the beginning of his 'journey'." Jeffrey did wear glasses at school and occasionally afterwards, though that's probably not particularly relevant to the Hare's metaphorical spectacles.

The central premise of 'The Hare...' is that everyone believes Hare to be in crisis, lacking direction (he can't see where he's going), and unable to help himself. Yet at no point does Hare admit to being in any kind of trouble (or to anything...). He's excited, and only appears helpless in the opinions of others.

It's known from interviews that Jeffrey's parents frequently hassled him about his prospects for life after school. "I can't imagine Jeffrey being the kind of guy to openly argue, but rather chew it over in silence and - eventually - decide for himself." He had formulated some embryonic 'life plans', but chose not to explain himself to onlookers, family and friends.

Hare never speaks, but sits in the middle of a commotion concerning his fate, caused by others around him and somehow not actually involving Hare himself. He is 'ostensibly motionless', and mute, which "... brings to mind Jeffrey's comment that an old acquaintance of his described him as being 'like wallpaper' and 'highly eccentric' at the same time - a kind of blank, and yet containing a bizarre energy. Hare only appears to be doing nothing, but there's an almighty internal buzz going on: the workings of the imagination."

It could be argued that the stern, scowling Owl is a father figure, whereas Kangaroo, the other, more interventionist authority figure of the piece, associated with Owl throughout, could be a mother figure, arguing with Owl about what's best for Hare.

"... young Hare can't go with Owl, because he's nodded off in his armchair, he can't go with Kangaroo because he's too big for her pouch, i.e. he's not a child any more, and can't return to the womb. He has to make it alone."

I'm unsure how the allegory extends to Newt and Bee, or, for that matter, the optician. Andy proposes Bee as a friend of Hare; that's as good an interpretation as any. The point is that the others know nothing about spectacles i.e. they are ignorant of Hare's needs and personal priorities. Ultimately, that's his business (his own affair) - "it's his journey, and his 'story', after all. Again, imagine a 16-year-old's, "You just don't understand!" - his private, mute dismissal of everyone's 'tempting' ideas.

"Because, in the end, Hare can see perfectly well where he's heading" - he has a back-up plan.


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Coincidentally, Meyers also proposes Owl as a father figure, but only in a sense that fits his spurious grand thesis (that Tull's material 1971-78 form one work): "The Owl is the wise one who hinders the imagination of the poet... the ancestral father. Hare is Jethro Tull questing for vision of spectacles. Kangaroo is the Muse.... This little story actually illustrates the anxiety [Ian] feels in wrestling with the giant dead of his cultural heritage.".
Considering the interval piece in isolation, this suggestion is typically flawed, not least because the actions of Owl and Kangaroo simply don't fit these characterisations.


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Leslie Miller acknowledges that the story of 'The Hare...' was indeed probably thrown in as a comic relief, but is also a fable, in the tradition of Aesop - a morality play with animals symbolising good/bad, foolish/wise, etc. The animals were very foolish to believe the ridiculous Hare. Moral: be wary of fools who are out to trick you, and be careful not to blow a minor issue out of proportion.

Michael Dawson interprets the piece as a restatement of the anti-clerical theme of 'My God' and 'Wind-Up'; the spectacles represent vision, in both a literal and a spiritual sense. Hare wisely rejects the conflicting advice of the various 'gurus' or religious leaders, realising that a clear vision is within himself all along, represented by the spare pair of spectacles. Personally, I regard this as a credible interpretation but unlikely to be that intended by the author; I'm unsure whether Jeffrey shared Ian's views of organised religion and would have particularly wished to address the subject.



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* Jethro Tull Trillian   27.09.03 10:47
. * Re: Jethro Tull MEЛOMAH   27.09.03 14:17
. * Re: Jethro Tull Trillian   27.09.03 23:19
. * Re: Jethro Tull Kent   27.09.03 23:39
. * Re: Jethro Tull Trillian   29.09.03 23:06
. * Re: Jethro Tull Kent   30.09.03 20:32
. * Re: Jethro Tull Trillian   30.09.03 23:56
. * Nonsense Kent   01.10.03 20:10
. * Re: Nonsense Trillian   01.10.03 21:55
. * Re: Nonsense Yassen   02.10.03 21:24
. * Re: Nonsense Kent   02.10.03 22:28
. * Нещо като Trillian   03.10.03 12:54
. * Re: Нещо като Yassen   03.10.03 16:24
. * Re: Нещо като Trillian   03.10.03 19:05
. * Re: Нещо като Pink   06.10.03 12:51
. * Re: Нещо като Yassen   08.10.03 18:46
. * Re: Нещо като Pink   08.10.03 19:03
. * Re: Нещо като Yassen   08.10.03 19:10
. * Щом е за Мерилиън, Trillian   09.10.03 09:40
. * Re: Nonsense VlOLATOR   03.10.03 16:47
. * Re: Nonsense Yassen   03.10.03 17:03
. * Re: Nonsense VlOLATOR   03.10.03 17:58
. * Няколко отговора MEЛOMAH   03.10.03 21:52
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   04.10.03 20:57
. * Re: Няколко отговора Kent   04.10.03 21:28
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   04.10.03 21:36
. * Re: Няколко отговора Kent   04.10.03 21:45
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   04.10.03 21:51
. * Re: Няколко отговора Kent   04.10.03 22:09
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   06.10.03 17:53
. * Re: Няколко отговора MELOMAN   05.10.03 10:21
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   06.10.03 11:27
. * Re: Няколко отговора ArthurDent   06.10.03 12:41
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   06.10.03 16:05
. * Re: Няколко отговора ArthurDent   07.10.03 10:37
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   07.10.03 10:52
. * Re: Няколко отговора ArthurDent   07.10.03 11:10
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   07.10.03 11:46
. * Re: Няколко отговора ArthurDent   07.10.03 12:40
. * Re: Няколко отговора VlOLATOR   08.10.03 16:01
. * Chichko VIOLATOR, Kent   06.10.03 20:17
. * батко Кеnt, VlOLATOR   07.10.03 09:40
. * OK, Kent   09.10.03 20:52
. * Re: OK, VlOLATOR   10.10.03 12:28
. * Re: OK, Kent   10.10.03 20:44
. * Re: OK, VlOLATOR   13.10.03 12:30
. * Re: OK, Kent   14.10.03 00:28
. * Re: OK, VlOLATOR   14.10.03 16:56
. * Re: OK, Kent   14.10.03 23:36
. * Re: OK, VlOLATOR   15.10.03 09:00
. * Re: Няколко отговора Kent   06.10.03 21:24
. * Вие си продължавайте спора, :)) Trillian   07.10.03 10:14
. * Re: Вие си продължавайте спора, :)) ArthurDent   07.10.03 10:23
. * Re: Вие си продължавайте спора, :)) VlOLATOR   07.10.03 10:55
. * Re: Вие си продължавайте спора, :)) Yassen   08.10.03 19:04
. * Re: Вие си продължавайте спора, :)) Kent   09.10.03 20:55
. * Re: Jethro Tull 4и4o   21.10.03 23:43
. * Re: Jethro Tull Kent   27.09.03 23:43
. * Re: Jethro Tull zep   28.09.03 10:33
. * Re: Jethro Tull babaToHka   29.09.03 22:04
. * Re: Jethro Tull Trillian   29.09.03 23:03
. * Re: Jethro Tull zep   30.09.03 12:09
. * Аз пък ... ArthurDent   30.09.03 12:10
. * A slushala li si samia album ? Kent   30.09.03 20:40
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Trillian   30.09.03 23:38
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Kent   01.10.03 20:37
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Trillian   01.10.03 22:36
. * Препоръчвам ви ArthurDent   02.10.03 10:01
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви Kent   02.10.03 21:39
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви ArthurDent   03.10.03 13:12
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви Trillian   03.10.03 13:20
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви ArthurDent   03.10.03 15:35
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви Trillian   03.10.03 19:29
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви ArthurDent   06.10.03 12:53
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви Kent   03.10.03 19:48
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви ArthurDent   07.10.03 10:33
. * Re: Препоръчвам ви Kent   09.10.03 21:22
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Georid   03.10.03 10:50
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Kent   03.10.03 20:10
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Georid   03.10.03 20:17
. * Re: A slushala li si samia album ? Kent   03.10.03 20:30
. * Re: Jethro Tull Kent   30.09.03 20:36
. * Re: Jethro Tull Vik   03.10.03 13:52
. * Re: Jethro Tull Georid   03.10.03 19:19
. * Re: Jethro Tull Vik~   08.10.03 15:23
. * McVicar Kent   03.10.03 20:04
. * Re: McVicar Vik~   08.10.03 15:32
. * Re: Jethro Tull Raksha   30.09.03 20:33
. * Re: Jethro Tull pink   06.10.03 12:43
. * Re: Jethro Tull Pink   08.10.03 17:45
. * Re: Jethro Tull VlOLATOR   08.10.03 18:01
. * Ja da vi prepitam Kent   09.10.03 21:49
. * Re: Ja da vi prepitam Trillian   13.10.03 16:52
. * Studeno, kolega Kent   14.10.03 00:35
. * Re: Ja da vi prepitam Vik~   15.10.03 10:48
. * Re: Ja da vi prepitam Kent   18.10.03 20:46
. * Re: Ja da vi prepitam Vik~   20.10.03 11:32
. * Re: Ja da vi prepitam Kent   20.10.03 22:09
. * Е, ако не е Trillian   20.10.03 22:11
. * Re: Е, ако не е pink   20.10.03 22:16
. * Izprevari te s tochno 5 minuti Kent   20.10.03 22:32
. * Re: Izprevari te s tochno 5 minuti Trillian   20.10.03 22:35
. * Re: Izprevari te s tochno 5 minuti Kent   20.10.03 23:03
. * Re: Izprevari te s tochno 5 minuti Trillian   21.10.03 00:07
. * Re: Izprevari te s tochno 5 minuti Vik~   21.10.03 11:24
. * Re: Izprevari te s tochno 5 minuti pink   21.10.03 11:54
. * pri men mazaloto e stefanaki   21.10.03 13:11
. * Re: pri men mazaloto e pink   21.10.03 13:49
. * Podul vupros Kent   21.10.03 14:30
. * The W.... Vik~   21.10.03 15:40
. * Re: The W.... Pink   21.10.03 16:04
. * Re: The W.... Vik~   21.10.03 16:57
. * Re: The W.... pink   21.10.03 17:13
. * Re: The W.... Kent   21.10.03 17:37
. * Re: The W.... pink   21.10.03 17:47
. * Re: The W.... Kent   21.10.03 22:10
. * Re: The W.... Vik~   22.10.03 11:26
. * Re: The W.... Kent   22.10.03 18:48
. * Re: The W.... Vik~   23.10.03 11:05
. * Re: The W.... Kent   25.10.03 15:00
. * Re: The W.... Vik~   27.10.03 13:06
. * Re: The W.... Kent   27.10.03 19:15
. * Re: The W.... Vik~   28.10.03 10:39
. * Re: The W.... Kent   28.10.03 22:32
. * Re: The W.... Vik~   30.10.03 15:03
. * Aaa , momche ! Kent   31.10.03 23:03
. * Re: Aaa , momche ! Vik~   03.11.03 17:36
. * Re: Aaa , momche ! Kent   03.11.03 20:13
. * Re: Aaa , momche ! Vik~   04.11.03 11:03
. * Как можа :)) Trillian   21.10.03 17:10
. * Re: Как можа :)) pink   21.10.03 17:26
. * Re: Как можа :)) Kent   21.10.03 17:31
. * Re: Как можа :)) Trillian   21.10.03 17:39
. * Re: Как можа :)) pink   21.10.03 17:53
. * Ami kazhi togava, Kent   21.10.03 22:05
. * Re: Ami kazhi togava, pink   22.10.03 12:37
. * Re: Ami kazhi togava, Kent   22.10.03 18:46
. * Re: Ami kazhi togava, pink   23.10.03 13:53
. * Re: Ami kazhi togava, Kent   25.10.03 15:16
. * Re: Ami kazhi togava, Trillian   23.10.03 13:38
. * Re: Как можа :)) Kent   21.10.03 22:24
. * Re: Как можа :)) VlOLATOR   22.10.03 12:41
. * Re: Как можа :)) Kent   22.10.03 18:42
. * Re: Как можа :)) VlOLATOR   23.10.03 11:59
. * Другата триада Trillian   23.10.03 14:12
. * Друга триада VlOLATOR   23.10.03 14:24
. * Re: Друга триада Vik~   23.10.03 16:38
. * ....... VlOLATOR   23.10.03 17:52
. * ... VlOLATOR   23.10.03 17:58
. * за... Vik~   23.10.03 19:09
. * Oh, obi4am da podslushvam razgovori Kent   25.10.03 14:38
. * ...мерси VlOLATOR   26.10.03 18:51
. * Re: ...мерси Kent   27.10.03 19:06
. * Re: ...мерси VlOLATOR   28.10.03 09:49
. * Re: ...мерси Kent   28.10.03 22:57
. * Re: ...мерси VlOLATOR   29.10.03 09:08
. * Re: ...мерси Kent   29.10.03 21:02
. * Re: ...мерси VlOLATOR   30.10.03 08:49
. * Re: ...мерси Kent   31.10.03 22:57
. * Re: ...мерси VlOLATOR   03.11.03 10:35
. * Re: Oh, obi4am da podslushvam razgovori Vik~   27.10.03 13:00
. * Re: Oh, obi4am da podslushvam razgovori Kent   27.10.03 19:28
. * Re: Oh, obi4am da podslushvam razgovori VlOLATOR   28.10.03 10:10
. * ... just a box of rain, Violator, Kent   28.10.03 22:51
. * ...... VlOLATOR   29.10.03 09:52
. * Re: ...... Kent   29.10.03 21:09
. * така значи... Vik~   28.10.03 10:14
. * Spray Paint The Waaaaaaaalls ! Kent   28.10.03 22:27
. * хихихих.... VlOLATOR   29.10.03 10:08
. * Ami ne znam Kent   29.10.03 20:58
. * Re: Ami ne znam VlOLATOR   30.10.03 09:02
. * Re: Ami ne znam Kent   31.10.03 23:32
. * Re: Ami ne znam VlOLATOR   03.11.03 10:07
. * Re: Ami ne znam Kent   03.11.03 20:35
. * Re: Spray Paint The Waaaaaaaalls ! Kent   29.10.03 20:54
. * Re: Spray Paint The Waaaaaaaalls ! Vik~   30.10.03 15:25
. * Re: Spray Paint The Waaaaaaaalls ! Kent   31.10.03 22:35
. * Re: Spray Paint The Waaaaaaaalls ! Vik~   03.11.03 13:47
. * Re: за... lnfoMatic   27.10.03 14:09
. * Re: Друга триада Kent   25.10.03 14:30
. * Re: Друга триада VlOLATOR   26.10.03 18:57
. * Re: Друга триада Kent   27.10.03 19:10
. * Re: Друга триада VlOLATOR   28.10.03 10:03
. * Re: Друга триада Kent   28.10.03 21:52
. * Tova e ve4e prekaleno Kent   25.10.03 14:25
. * Re: Jethro Tull VlOLATOR   11.12.03 17:13
. * Re: Jethro Tull Trillian   12.12.03 00:33
. * Re: Jethro Tull VlOLATOR   12.12.03 09:32
. * Re: Jethro Tull Trillian   12.12.03 21:05
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