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Клубове Дирене Регистрация Кой е тук Въпроси Списък Купувам / Продавам 22:26 13.06.24 
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Тема Дупл:за Панайот Добриков [re: Panayot Dobrikov]
Автор Kosic ()
Публикувано03.05.99 15:03  



Сигурно 90% от сегашните професори са си взели титлите по татово време. Ж. Желев е станал доктор тогава, както и Божков инженер ако става дума. Обаче и мнмого дисиденти се обявиха против действията на НАТО, в това число и Солженицин (за който ако някой каже че е комунист май му хлопа нещо дъската). Че САЩ са съвкупност от много нации е вярно, това обаче не променя нещата и не прави Косовските албанци американски граждани (ако бяха такива щяха да направят опит да ги опазят)нали?. Освен това голяма част от тях сами напускат Косово, понеже виждат идеална възможност да емигрират. Кой ще го изрита косовеца сега като е гледал по телевизията лагерите? Недей гледа интервютата със разни старци, които разправят как искат да се завърнат в родния дом. Аз ти говоря за по-младите косовци. Мислиш ли, че той като отиде в Норвегия, Германия и т.н. после като се постигне мир ще се върне? "Да, ама не". Освен това те въобще не са толкова невинни, колкото изглеждат по телевизията. Мислиш ли че е нямало провокация от тяхна страна. Не от всички разбира се, но от достатъчно за да си навлекат гнева на и без това етнически нетолерантните сърби. Прочети това: The New York Times November 1, 1987, Sunday, Late City Final Edition Section 1; Part 1, Page 14, Column 1; "In Yugoslavia, Rising Ethnic Strife Brings Fears of Worse Civil Conflict" By DAVID BINDER, Special to the New York Times BELGRADE, Yugoslavia Portions of southern Yugoslavia have reached such a state of ethnic friction that Yugoslavs have begun to talk of the horrifying possibility of ''civil war'' in a land that lost one-tenth of its population, or 1.7 million people, in World War II. The current hostilities pit separatist-minded ethnic Albanians against the various Slavic populations of Yugoslavia and occur at all levels of society, from the highest officials to the humblest peasants. A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his barracks, killing four sleeping Slavic bunkmates and wounding six others. The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic Albanian cells in its ranks. Some arsenals have been raided. Vicious Insults Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. And politicians have exchanged vicious insults. Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to rape Serbian girls. Ethnic Albanians comprise the fastest growing nationality in Yugoslavia and are expected soon to become its third largest, after the Serbs and Croats. Radicals' Goals The goal of the radical nationalists among them, one said in an interview, is an ''ethnic Albania that includes western Macedonia, southern Montenegro, part of southern Serbia, Kosovo and Albania itself.'' That includes large chunks of the republics that make up the southern half of Yugoslavia. Other ethnic Albanian separatists admit to a vision of a greater Albania governed from Pristina in southern Yugoslavia rather than Tirana, the capital of neighboring Albania. There is no evidence that the hard-line Communist Government in Tirana is giving them material assistance. The principal battleground is the region called Kosovo, a high plateau ringed by mountains that is somewhat smaller than New Jersey. Ethnic Albanians there make up 85 percent of the population of 1.7 million. The rest are Serbians and Montenegrins. Worst Strife in Years As Slavs flee the protracted violence, Kosovo is becoming what ethnic Albanian nationalists have been demanding for years, and especially strongly since the bloody rioting by ethnic Albanians in Pristina in 1981 - an ''ethnically pure'' Albanian region, a ''Republic of Kosovo' ' in all but name. The violence, a journalist in Kosovo said, is escalating to ''the worst in the last seven years.'' Many Yugoslavs blame the troubles on the ethnic Albanians, but the matter is more complex in a country with as many nationalities and religions as Yugoslavia's and involves economic development, law, politics, families and flags. As recently as 20 years ago, the Slavic majority treated ethnic Albanians as inferiors to be employed as hewers of wood and carriers of heating coal. The ethnic Albanians, who now number 2 million, were officially deemed a minority, not a constituent nationality, as they are today. Were the ethnic tensions restricted to Kosovo, Yugoslavia's problems with its Albanian nationals might be more manageable. But some Yugoslavs and some ethnic Albanians believe the struggle has spread far beyond Kosovo. Macedonia, a republic to the south with a population of 1.8 million, has a restive ethnic Albanian minority of 350,000. ''We've already lost western Macedonia to the Albanians,'' said a member of the Yugoslav party presidium, explaining that the ethnic minority had driven the Slavic Macedonians out of the region. Attacks on Slavs Last summer, the authorities in Kosovo said they documented 40 ethnic Albanian attacks on Slavs in two months. In the last two years, 320 ethnic Albanians have been sentenced for political crimes, nearly half of them characterized as severe. In one incident, Fadil Hoxha, once the leading politician of ethnic Albanian origin in Yugoslavia, joked at an official dinner in Prizren last year that Serbian women should be used to satisfy potential ethnic Albanian rapists. After his quip was reported this October, Serbian women in Kosovo protested, and Mr. Hoxha was dismissed from the Communist Party. As a precaution, the central authorities dispatched 380 riot police officers to the Kosovo region for the first time in four years. Officials in Belgrade view the ethnic Albanian challenge as imperiling the foundations of the multinational experiment called federal Yugoslavia, which consists of six republics and two provinces. 'Lebanonizing' of Yugoslavia High-ranking officials have spoken of the ''Lebanonizing'' of their country and have compared its troubles to the strife in Northern Ireland. Borislav Jovic, a member of the Serbian party's presidency, spoke in an interview of the prospect of ''two Albanias, one north and one south, like divided Germany or Korea,'' and of ''practically the breakup of Yugoslavia.'' He added: ''Time is working against us.'' The federal Secretary for National Defense, Fleet Adm. Branko Mamula, told the army's party organization in September of efforts by ethnic Albanians to subvert the armed forces. ''Between 1981 and 1987 a total of 216 illegal organizations with 1,435 members of Albanian nationality were discovered in the Yugoslav People's Army,'' he said. Admiral Mamula said ethnic Albanian subversives had been preparing for ''killing officers and soldiers, poisoning food and water, sabotage, breaking into weapons arsenals and stealing arms and ammunition, desertion and causing flagrant nationalist incidents in army units.'' Concerns Over Military Coming three weeks after the ethnic Albanian draftee, Aziz Kelmendi, had slaughtered his Slavic comrades in the barracks at Paracin, the speech struck fear in thousands of families whose sons were about to start their mandatory year of military service. Because the Albanians have had a relatively high birth rate, one-quarter of the army's 200,000 conscripts this year are ethnic Albanians. Admiral Mamula suggested that 3,792 were potential human timebombs. He said the army had ''not been provided with details relevant for assessing their behavior.'' But a number of Belgrade politicians said they doubted the Yugoslav armed forces would be used to intervene in Kosovo as they were to quell violent rioting in 1981 in Pristina. They reason that the army leadership is extremely reluctant to become involved in what is, in the first place, a political issue. Ethnic Albanians already control almost every phase of life in the autonomous province of Kosovo, including the police, judiciary, civil service, schools and factories. Non-Albanian visitors almost immediately feel the independence - and suspicion - of the ethnic Albanian authorities. Region's Slavs Lack Strength While 200,000 Serbs and Montenegrins still live in the province, they are scattered and lack cohesion. In the last seven years, 20,000 of them have fled the province, often leaving behind farmsteads and houses, for the safety of the Slavic north. Until September, the majority of the Serbian Communist Party leadership pursued a policy of seeking compromise with the Kosovo party hierarchy under its ethnic Albanian leader, Azem Vlasi. But during a 30-hour session of the Serbian central committee in late September, the Serbian party secretary, Slobodan Milosevic, deposed Dragisa Pavlovic, as head of Belgrade's party organization, the country's largest. Mr. Milosevic accused Mr. Pavlovic of being an appeaser who was soft on Albanian radicals. Mr. Milosevic had courted the Serbian backlash vote with speeches in Kosovo itself calling for ''the policy of the hard hand.'' ''We will go up against anti-Socialist forces, even if they call us Stalinists,'' Mr. Milosevic declared recently. That a Yugoslav politician would invite someone to call him a Stalinist even four decades after Tito's epochal break with Stalin, is a measure of the state into which Serbian politics have fallen. For the moment, Mr. Milosevic and his supporters appear to be staking their careers on a strategy of confrontation with the Kosovo ethnic Albanians. Other Yugoslav politicians have expressed alarm. ''There is no doubt Kosovo is a problem of the whole country, a powder keg on which we all sit,'' said Milan Kucan, head of the Slovenian Communist Party. Remzi Koljgeci, of the Kosovo party leadership, said in an interview in Pristina that ''relations are cold'' between the ethnic Albanians and Serbs of the province, that there were too many ''people without hope.'' But many of those interviewed agreed it was also a rare opportunity for Yugoslavia to take radical political and economic steps, as Tito did when he broke with the Soviet bloc in 1948. Efforts are under way to strengthen central authority through amendments to the constitution. The League of Communists is planning an extraordinary party congress before March to address the country's grave problems. The hope is that something will be done then to exert the rule of law in Kosovo while drawing ethnic Albanians back into Yugoslavia's mainstream. Copyright 1987 The New York Times Company Още за Американската нация. Формирането й отдавна е приключило, сега сам знаеш колко трудно е да емигриреаш там легално. Е, разбира се попълването с "мозъци" на великата държава продължава. Друго нещо, което показва колко им пука за косовците е това, че не приеха бежанци, а като се канееха да ги приемат искаха да ги забутат там на някакъв си остров. За позицията на правителството - СПОРЕД МЕН не е най-добрата, макар че самолети на НАТО така или иначе щяха да си летят над България, независимо от това дали им даваме небето си или не. Обаче ние трябваше да приемем бежанци, вместо да пускаме самолети. така щяхме да облекчим положението на Македония, да запазим що-годе добри отношения със Сърбия и НАТО не можеше и копче да ни каже. А пък е много съмнително колко сегашната реакция на управляващите ще ни ускори демократизирането. За европеизирането да не говорим, защото НАТО обслужва интересите на определени политически и икономически кръгове в САЩ. България не може да се оправи без чужда помощ това е ясно, но НАТО не е ЕС, а именно това ни е крайната цел, не някаква милитаристична организация P.S. Направи сравнение колко шум се вдигна в US медиите за освобождаването на тримата АМЕРИКАНСКИ войници и как вяло отразиха 40-те убити НЕАМЕРИКАНСКИ граждани в автобуса

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* Democracy Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 10:50
. * Отг: Democracy Tony   03.05.99 11:05
. * Дупл: Отг: Democracy Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 11:46
. * Отг: Democracy SLAYER   03.05.99 11:47
. * uspeh na izpita! SLAYER   03.05.99 11:50
. * Отг: Дупл: Отг: Democracy Tony   03.05.99 11:51
. * Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: Democracy Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 12:15
. * Отг: uspeh na izpita! Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 12:17
. * Отг: Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: Democracy Tony   03.05.99 12:21
. * За демократа Добриков Чавдар   03.05.99 12:30
. * Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: Democracy Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 12:36
. * Отг: Чавдар GT   03.05.99 12:40
. * Отг:Здрасти! Zareto   03.05.99 12:43
. * за GT Чавдар   03.05.99 12:48
. * Отг: За демократа Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 12:49
. * Дупл: Отг: Чавдар един избирател   03.05.99 12:50
. * Дупл: Отг: За демократа Добриков Чавдар   03.05.99 12:55
. * Отг: Отг:Здрасти! Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 12:59
. * Отг: Дупл: Отг: За демократа Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 13:13
. * За Добриков Чавдар   03.05.99 13:20
. * за Панайот Добриков Kosic   03.05.99 13:37
. * добавка към Kosic Чавдар   03.05.99 13:42
. * Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: За демократа Добриков Кангелов до Панайот   03.05.99 13:52
. * Отг: За Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 14:02
. * Дупл: Отг: За Добриков Дружинната   03.05.99 14:11
. * Още за Панайот Добриков Kosic   03.05.99 14:13
. * Отг: за Панайот Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 14:27
. * Отг: Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: За демократа Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 14:27
. * За Добриков - от малката група Лелката от занималнята   03.05.99 14:35
. * Otg. za Drujinata Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 14:39
. * Отг: Za lelkata ot zanimalnqta, hubawo dupe Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 14:47
. * Дупл:за Панайот Добриков Kosic   03.05.99 15:03
. * За Америкаския ценител Добриков Стар комунист/партизанин   03.05.99 15:11
. * За свободните медии, Добриков Kosic   03.05.99 15:31
. * Отг: За Staria Komunist Partizanin Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 15:35
. * Дупл: Отг: За Staria Komunist Partizanin Чавдар   03.05.99 15:48
. * Отг: Дупл:за Панайот Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 15:48
. * Отг: Дупл:за Kosic Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 15:56
. * Отг: Дупл: Отг: За Staria Komunist Partizanin Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 16:14
. * Отг: За свободните медии, Добриков Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 16:17
. * Дупл: Отг: Дупл: Отг: За Staria Komunist Partizani Чавдар   03.05.99 16:20
. * TO ALL (Democracy) Panayot Dobrikov   03.05.99 16:34
. * Moyat PRA-dyado Bello   03.05.99 16:52
. * Отг: TO ALL (Democracy) Bello   03.05.99 16:59
. * Латинска Америка той НЕ е   03.05.99 17:47
. * До той НЕ е ( Южна Америка) Ед   03.05.99 19:03
. * Отг: Democracy Ganja_MAN   03.05.99 19:18
. * Dupl: Otg: Za demokrata Dobrikov Organiziran Debil   03.05.99 20:12
. * Отг: Moyat PRA-dyado Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 09:52
. * Дупл: Отг: Bello Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 09:57
. * Отг: Латинска Америка Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 10:00
. * Отг: До той НЕ е ( Южна Америка) Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 10:01
. * Дупл: Отг: Democracy Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 10:03
. * Дупл: Отг: Za lelkata ot zanimalnqta, hubawo dupe МЕРИ   04.05.99 10:05
. * Отг:za Vlado Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 10:06
. * za Organiziraniq Debil Panayot Dobrikov   04.05.99 10:08
. * Отг: За Косик МЕРИ   04.05.99 10:09
. * Za MERI Panayot Dobriov   04.05.99 10:26
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